Tucker Carlson _ This Past Weekend w_ Theo Von #628 [YN23ty2C_Uc]
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And, thank you guys so much. Merry Christmas. Happy holidays. Today's guest is a host. He's an interviewer.
He's a provocateur, if you will. We had him on previously, and we had a great time. He has his own podcast called the Tucker Carlson show. He was just ranked one of the top 10 podcasts in America. Looking forward to spending time with him.
Today's guest is mister Tucker Carlson. We wanna support out too, so I'm excited about that.
That started on the show, which is kinda weird.
That Alp started on the show? Oh, yeah. That's right.
Was your show. Did it. It's when they threatened me. It's when PMI, Philip Morris, wrote me this letter. You were on a well known comedian's podcast, and you said this about our product.
I was like, fuck you, and started my own. And it's been really successful, so I'm grateful.
So did they get upset about anything you said on the show?
On your show? Yeah. Yeah. Because they said it it was like a boner cure or whatever. Oh, yeah.
It's Viagra, which it totally is.
You think nicotine helps your erection? Yeah. Oh, I don't I don't think it helps mine.
You know, I don't think you're using enough.
I mean, I've I've hit a, you know, hit a vape. Like, I'm just, you know, like I'm keeping a train going, you know? Mid act? Like keeping like a Amtrak, like I'm leading an Amtrak. Vape
while you're actually engaged in right? But that's the beauty of a pouch. You can double up during.
Oh, I like that.
I mean,
that's Well, it's something like a battery
recommend. I'm not, obviously. Nothing to do with me.
I'm still, like, using fire. You know? It's like, if I'm sitting there just hopping on a vape, killing time. Also, if you're not getting an erection, you're trying to kill time until you get one. That's the toughest thing that people never talk about about erectile dysfunction.
Really?
Yeah, because you're like
It's like waiting at the DMV kind of? Yeah, kind of. Waiting for some lady to call you, is that yeah, it's the same.
Maybe it's that girl, Bonnie Blue. She's like number 49 or whatever.
Not ready.
Dude, yeah, that'd be crazy. Just give me a couple minutes. No, dude. The lies I would use to have to make up because I have pretty bad erectile dysfunction, like, in my twenties and the lies I'd have to make up.
Wait. Wait.
Without getting too personal, how did you have erectile dysfunction in your twenties?
Dude, I moved in with a guy who Okay. Mistake number one. Right. For sure. That didn't help.
But that's because he had a, he had a script of wiener pills, and so I'd get over there. So I'd I'd nibble off of his wiener pills. And this is when wiener pills were really first pop. When they were first out of the gate, when people like you had to get prescription. Right?
Now you can just do like telehealth. Now you can get some Indian guy who'll just mail you a bag of them, you know? And they have saffron on them, which is sometimes it's kind of a lot, but you take what you can get. But, but, dude, I would stay over with him and he would, and he didn't notice. He would drink a lot, so he didn't notice sometimes I would, like, cut one in half or just take one.
You know? But so I was living with, like, a 70 year old dude just a cop's part of his wiener pill script because
You were kept, Viagra kept you there. Yeah.
Dude, that was a crazy but I when I think back of the reality of that, that was bomb. Yeah.
I fair. Even by LA standards, that's pretty far out. Yeah. Usually, you move in with a sugar daddy for, like, the cocaine or something, but you're there for the boner pills. But can I ask, how do you how do you think you ended up needing him in the first place at that age?
Just too much mental, too much in my head, you know? Like I would try to be getting a boner or whatever, and my brain would be like, you got a little boner bitch or whatever. Like my brain did not like me, you know? So, and we had to, and we live together. And so it was like a constant battle.
But then I think as I've gotten older and gotten more calm, it's been easier. It's just been more calm. That's so that's so interesting.
So you were, like, trying to defeat yourself?
Yes. I would be like, or if I couldn't get it started, it was just like, man. You know? So then you're killing time. You're like, hey.
You know? It's like, you wanna watch a pro you know, it's like, let's put on a move. You know? Just like trying to kill time while you're waiting to get a boner. It's very you know, you're it's a that's a tough gig.
That should be an Olympic sport, I think.
Like the biathlon.
Yeah.
It's weird, but there are few people in world really good at
it. Really?
Yeah. Well, biathlon for sure. I don't know. Boner waiting. Biathlon is the cross country's waiting.
Yeah. It's not actually certified yet. No, biathlon is the cross country skiing and then shooting.
Oh, yeah. I have seen that. That's pretty fun.
Well, it's wild because these guys are just like huffing. You know, imagine being oxygen deprived and then trying to shoot straight or do anything really.
Oh, look, this is the skill we're all going to need probably in a few years if we want to survive. I think that this is important. Totally agree. But does ALP so ALP is your brand.
Alp is our brand. We started it because of your show because the first and only other time I've been here, we're in some other city.
We're in Bellagio. We are in the Vegas. Vegas.
And I had it and you said, What's that? And I made a joke about how it was a marital aid or something. Not even a funny joke. And then about a week later, I got a letter from the general counsel's office at Philip Morris International, which owns ZYN, and they said, you know, how dare you make unsubstantiated medical claims about our product? And I was like, first of all, I'm shilling your product just to be nice because I like it.
And now you're scolding me for making a boner joke, which, by the way, was a compliment.
Yeah. If somebody's in and then they're suddenly they got that dong going, who cares? Know You what I'm saying?
I thought it was funny. I thought it was a compliment, and but they were so corporate and nasty with me Yeah. That I decided I'm gonna make a competing product, and we did. And then around that time, probably about a week or two later, I asked around. I never really asked anyone about Xen, and I found out that almost every other person using Xen was using it rectally.
I literally had no idea.
They were using it what they were Rectally.
Yeah. They use it rectally. Most Xen users use it rectally, and I didn't know that.
What? Where at? Like, like, phi kappas or whatever?
No. No. No. No. Just normal consumers of it.
Like, in fact, in a lot of places when you buy it, you get a little tube of don't know if you ever bought it. You get a, like, a little tube of Vaseline and
some surgical gloves. No.
I'm serious. And I had no idea. And I was like, in a country of 350,000,000 people, like, there should be a pouch for your mouth. Yeah. You know, it shouldn't all be rectal use.
And by way, I'm not in any way judging at all. I think it's consistent with, like, other parts of their lives. But but whatever. I was like, this country needs an oral use only pouch. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
And we we made one. And so you guys made one.
Yeah. But I didn't know any of that. And I'm, like, hapless you know, I'm putting it in my mouth, and occasionally, people look at me, like, on a plane or whatever I put in my mouth, and they would give me that look like that's not what you're supposed to do with that, but I didn't even know. I didn't have any reference points for it. But, you know, you you learn stuff as you age.
Yeah. If you're using that third jaw, I think, to catch a to catch a nicotine hit, that's pretty wild. Well, the
problem is you can you can overdo it, and you forget. It's hard to keep track of how many are there.
You know what I mean?
And you can just a lot of things happen. I've never done it, but I have talked to people who are
into it. Oh, it'll build up like a beaver dam back there, I feel like. You know? That's crazy. Tucker, good to see you,
man. That's great.
Here we are. We've already discussed erectile dysfunction, which I admitted I had, which is definitely never is gonna help my dating life, but here we are. No.
I think it makes you more more relatable, less threatening. I bet you get a lot of calls after this, actually.
Well, he I will say this, though. If you took an erection pill, say you went on a date or something that was going pretty well and you took part of it or you nibbled off a little piece because do not make the mistake of taking
a hole when you're What happens?
Dude, I couldn't even hug somebody goodbye. I was just like,
you know, like You're, like, in seventh grade again.
Oh, dude. Yeah. Yeah. Cavs were stopping. It was like they're like, what do you want?
You know? So that wasn't that wasn't good, dude. Like, that was, yeah. You take a whole one, dude. Yeah.
People will start hanging their coats on you and stuff. It's really it can be a lot. But, yeah, you would just nibble off enough. You started to gauge how much you needed, you'd nibble off
I feel like you could become dependent on it, though.
Oh, you definitely did. But at a certain point, it, like, alleviated, like, the fear of, like, of this of a kind of of the it alleviated the fear. Your performance anxiety. Right. It kind of like it.
So then after a while, you didn't need it all the time. So it kind of sounds helpful. Yeah. It was kind of like training wheels in a way type of thing. You know I'm saying?
Totally.
Yeah. Like you use it and then you don't need it. But, yeah, dude, that was a weird time, dude. I one time, I was over there. And so the dude like, we only had we only had one bedroom, so I would just sleep on the couch.
Right?
You sure there's not more to the story? There's nothing more. Okay. So an older man moves you into his house and gives you boner pills, but it's totally on the level. Like, there was nothing weird at all.
And my friend's dad.
Oh, okay. Okay. Good.
Okay. So my friend's dad, and I think he'd, cheated on his wife or something, so he got kicked out.
Yeah.
And so and I was looking for a place to live. Anyway, I used to go like, I was learning the guitar at the time. And so he would have this lady stay over sometimes, and he would have me come in there and play music to him in the dark and shit. And I just learned how to play, tears in heaven.
Just to, again, to stand back and, you know, with no prior knowledge of the story at all, but just to, like, assess the facts as you've laid them out, you get invited to live with an older man
Yep. And a girl. He was athletic. He played tennis.
Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Who has a stash of boner pills, and then he invites you into the bedroom with him and the girl to serenade them.
Yes. At night. Kind of at And this never got
freaky at all. Like, not for one say. You're like, that's totally normal.
Yeah. Not at all. It but it just it was weird enough.
It's the most LA story ever.
It happened in Louisiana. Oh, no way.
I was thinking you like, Cato Kalin in the guesthouse.
This happened in Downtown New Orleans, dude. And I used to borrow his car. It wouldn't turn off. If you turned it off, you couldn't turn it back on. So you had to leave it running all the time, and you had to, like, put gas into it.
So I'd go to I'd use his car to go to school over there there over there at Loyola, and, I would just leave it run I would just, like, leave it running all day, dude. Ugh. Anyway, Tucker Carlson, good to see you, man.
It's great
to see you. Great to see you. Congrats on ALP. Is it is it doing well? I I remember I went to y'all's party last year.
Yeah.
And there was a lot of neat, neat people there.
Yeah.
Josh Smith was there, I remember. Lexi was there. Mel Gibson
was there last year. Did
he come? Yep. He was really nice. I mean, he's a great guy.
He's a great guy, and there are a lot of people.
Yeah. No. It's actually done. Jimmy John was there?
Love Jimmy John Leoteau, one of my favorites. Vince Vaughn. Oh, you know, good guys. People who like nicotine. Nicotine's super important.
This country's gotten far sadder and less healthy since it was discouraged and is coming back. I think it shows, like people are just happier. But no, the company's done I've never been in business. I've never sold anything. I've only talked for a living.
I didn't grow up around business. I know nothing about it. I'm terrible at math. So, yeah, it's done really well. So well that I'm I feel a little bit embarrassed.
But we have a big factory near here with 14 manufacturing lines, and it's like it's cool. Wow. I like it. Yeah. It's actually been the single most amusing and purely fun thing I've ever done.
Of course, I have no role in, like, the business. You would never allow me near a business ever, but I'm super enthusiastic. I help pick the name and the design and the flavors. Like, I know a lot about that because I'm a lifelong nicotine user. Over forty years, I know a lot about nicotine, but I know nothing of business.
So I'm not involved in any of that. My college roommate runs it and is, you know, my best friend. So I but I hear about it. But, basically, yeah, it's been wildly successful because I think people want a pouch that you can put in your mouth. You don't have to put it in your butt.
And a lot of people felt like they did. There's just a lot of pressure to do that, and you feel it all around you. Like, oh, it's totally cool. All the guys are doing it. And some some people are like, I'm not gonna do that.
Yeah. And I don't wanna have to go to, like, a Tiesto or a John Summit or a Levity concert or have to go to, like, a widespread panic concert to get somebody to boo fit into my A
100%.
Straw or something. It's like, how do you even get help getting it in if you need help?
Well, I think that's part of it. I think for a lot of people, zen is a group activity. Mhmm. Like, it happens, you know, with, like,
friends. Yeah. Yeah.
But and that's fine.
She's in heaven.
Like, that type of thing. Totally.
I can't believe that was the song I played, and that's what they made me play, dude.
Would you know? Shut up.
That's the only first When you
were serenading the boner pill guy and his girlfriend?
Yeah. What do you think I would play? I only knew that in Every Rose As It's Thorn. Come on. Those are, like, two of the beginner songs, man.
Wow. I was pretty good.
I think it would be, like, brown eyed girl or something. Older guy.
Oh, definitely. Well, brown eyed girl, definitely, if you're using one of those those pouches you're talking about, dude. Yeah. You know?
But that's, like, kind of a classic boomer kicked out of the house with his younger girlfriend. Play brown eyed girl. You know, it's kinda Oh,
yeah. I thought brown eyed girl is something dealing with somebody's butt. You know? Hey. Where did we go?
Oh. Days when the When the rains came. When the rains came.
Down in the hollow.
Playing a new
So good.
Playing a new game. You know what I'm saying? So BLM, homie. Tucker Carlson's here, dude. Dude, you just I just saw you got a top 10 podcast, one of the top 10 podcasts in America.
Do you
see that? No. I didn't. I didn't. Did you see that?
Really? I
didn't. I honestly didn't know that. No. It's we have a rule in our office, which we've stuck with for, like, like, three over thirty years now to wherever I've worked, like, no compliments. Don't believe in that.
So you don't ever want to work with people who compliment you at all, and you know when it's hitting, and you can feel when you're doing what you're supposed to be doing. But having people around you are like, oh,
we're kicking ass. You're so great.
Yeah. Like, that's the fastest way to rot your soul and just become an asshole. And having spent my life around assholes, I'm like, oh, I don't wanna be that. So no. No.
No. There's never any talk about that ever.
Well
but I'm glad to know that. It's better than being in the I've certainly been in the bottom many times in my life. You know what I mean? I had ratings that were so bad at one network I worked at that there were some questions as to whether, given the margin of error, anyone was watching. Anyone.
Any human being was watching. Yeah. Like, couldn't tell you really with precision. Right. So, I've been there.
Dang. Yeah. Well, now you're not there anymore. I mean, it is fascinating, especially to hear how quickly people have gone away from cable. Yeah.
Do you have cable? I don't even know if I have it. Right. I mean, mostly I watch sports and then I just work a lot.
Totally. And there's just a lot of stuff. Like, you could spend your life texting. How many people do you text with every day? Oh, right.
Too much.
Yeah. Exactly.
But, yeah, you won you were a top 10, man. So pretty cool. And you were you also got antisemite of the year. Or you got Did I win? No.
I don't you also got nominated for antisemite of the year. Bryce Mishold is campaigning, it feels like. So
He is I love Bryce. He's he was there. His son's named Tucker, by the way, I'm to say.
His son is so cute too. He's unbelievable. Did I see his son at your party last year?
Yes. And his wonderful wife. Yeah. The funny thing is I'm not even an antisemite, and I'm Yeah. How did that feel?
Antisemitism.
I agree.
How did that do that? Like, Every day for the last ten years. I don't think I think it is immoral to judge people on qualities they can't control what they're born with. I don't think that people are guilty by virtue of their blood. That's why I disagree with the Netanyahu cabinet.
They believe the Palestinians are subhuman because they're Palestinian. And I just that's a attitude that's anti Christian. I totally reject it. I've criticized them for that specifically. And so I completely opposed to antisemitism.
And so and I mean it too. And by the way, if I was antisemit at this stage, be like, yeah.
I'm an antisemitism. Love Handler. Would just say it. Like, why not? Probably the number one podcaster.
But I'm being totally sincere. I'm opposed to it. So why do they keep calling you that me that? And I know one of these guys very well in here. I said I know Bryce, but I know another person on the bottom.
I know two of them. Know Anna too. They not only are non antisemites, they think antisemitism is immoral. So why do they call you something that you're not and that they know you're not? They do it to make you into what they call you.
They are trying to make you a hater. And that is, like, the key insight I've had over the last year. It's like, I I used to think like, people would always call me racist. And I would do these, like, long monologues. Like, actually, I'm not a racist.
I would say so if I was. I kind of like black people, but it's not even has nothing to do whether I like black
people or don't. Jerseys or whatever?
I kinda do, but even if I didn't, hating people on the basis of racist and morons.
So I do these, like, long monologues, and I would stay up and write them,
you know, at home and be like, I'm gonna tell the truth. And everyone be like, shut up, racist. And I'd be like, what is this? They could criticize me for all my real faults, which are super obvious. You know?
I think they're very obvious. I I get mad. I over state things. I always gain a shit ton of weight every summer. Like, I have faults that are obvious to everybody, but they never attack me on those.
They attack me on the things that I'm not why? And this year, I finally figured it out. It's like they want to make you into a hater. Why? Two reasons.
One, to control you. This is like a form of control.
Why? Because then they can label you?
Sure. Then you're a Nazi. It's like you don't need to first of you can kill Nazis. Right? So it's obviously to get you killed is part of it.
But part of it is much deeper and it's spiritual, and that is that evil feeds on hate. They want more hate. So and what's evil? How do we know if something's evil? Well, by its fruits.
Is this someone who's lying, angry, promoting violence, chaos, division? That's evil. I mean, that's literally the definition of evil, and good is its opposite. It's unity, peace, happiness, love, order, cleanliness, or whatever. You know?
It's it's the the virtues are really obvious. The sins are really obvious. And so evil feeds on hate. They want more hate. So I look at someone like Mark Levin, who was a guy I used to know.
Know what? I've never had strong feelings about the guy one or other. He's all into Israel. Whatever. I don't care.
Be all into Israel. I was never against Israel. I'm still not really that against Israel, but whatever. I watch Mark Levin, like, go down this path where he's, like, crazed. He's crazed.
It's almost like he's being attacked by bees or something. Like, there's no peace in that man at all. I can't imagine what his I'm not being mean. I'm being sincere. That guy works tirelessly to make people hate him.
Same with rabbi butt plugs. Same with a bunch of these people you see on the Internet where it's like, what? Is this guy trying to win people over? Just the opposite. He's trying to alienate them.
He's trying to make people hate him. Why? Because that's the nature of evil. It feeds on hate, and goodness feeds on love. And you're around if you're around a decent, honest person, you just feel this, like, warmth and attraction and calm.
Right? You feel this around?
For sure. And I think you have to trust your own guiding light at a certain point.
A 100 at at every point. Of what is Every point.
Good and what is not.
You but you know it. I don't even think like, we're so past rational argument. I mean, I've proven that by, like, every week dutifully doing the actually, I'm against antisemitism. I hate antisemitism. Shut up, Hitler.
Obviously, we're not at a point, sadly, in our history where rational debate makes any difference at all. They don't care.
Yeah.
Charlie Kirk dedicated his life to it. They shot him in the neck. Like, they don't they're not interested. They're not winnable. We're at a stage where the only thing you can trust is the is God, the love of other people, and your own God given instincts.
That is it.
That's the guide, period. Yeah. I mean, you have to really lock in your pilot light of what do you feel like is right and wrong.
Exactly. Don't you think you know it too?
I think at this point you have to trust that more than You trust it.
Exactly. But the knowledge is preexisting. Like, it's already in you. You know. You're like, your dog doesn't need to be told who hates him.
The dog's like, you know, he barks at the people who hate him. He knows, and he doesn't lie to himself. Yeah. Do you feel that?
Oh, I think we've been lying to ourselves or we've been passive about evil showing up in our world, I think. Yes. I definitely believe that. And some of the things I wanna talk about for sure. I mean, I saw this list, and I'm like, well, first of all, miss Rachel's on it.
That's when they lost me. I was like, what are you guys doing? If miss Rachel has to come out because she was obviously, anti the war in Gaza, anti the genocide, and we've spoken up about it. I mean, there's no doubt in my heart and mind that it's a genocide. People can have other thoughts that they want, and that's fine.
I I if you have your thoughts, that's great. I'm glad that you do. It just seems like that is a wrong thing. There was not a lot of question about it for me. Like, I learned about the history of the land, and then I was like, this well, this is just wrong.
There's no reason that these, children have to be getting killed, that that they're experimenting with different weapons and different tactics, on this kind of, like, basically, this this imprisoned group over there. And then when they when I saw this and then miss Rachel, I was like, what are we doing? Like, what do you need Bert and Ernie to come out and say that it's a genocide? Like, at what point do people not trust what they're seeing anymore? I think I'm kind of a that that that's the part that's made me think sometimes, like, I'm in this weird blender or aquarium.
It's like Yep. It's like, should more people speak up? Have not an like, it almost like, why do you feel crazy for speaking up? Like, it just should feel like there's more. But then it's not my place to think that somebody else should feel the same way or should feel okay about sharing stuff.
And it gets kind of scary, you know? It definitely gets super scary, you know? Why? I think because, you know, I think you don't know the you don't really know what's going on. I think that's what it is.
And if they would just say, hey. America is a country that's owned by Israel or that, it's always been just this, outpost or it's this LLC of Israel or it's this or of this or maybe not even of Israel. It could just be of corporate entities. I'm not really sure exactly. But if they would just tell us, then you can operate from a place of knowing what's going on.
But for some reason, there's this weird secretiveness about stuff. And when things are secret, it feels evil because it feels like it's in the dark. Right? And and then when you see, like, we're watching people dying and kids dying, and it's supposed to feel like it's just in with the next reel and the next trend dance or whatever, it's just it all becomes it all becomes confusing. And so those are moments where you do have to lock in, you know, just prayer, asking God, what am I supposed to do?
Just trusting, like, the part inside of yourself that, you feel like you've developed over time that's that's that's honest, I guess, or just trying to trust your heart. You know?
don't know.
Does that make any sense even?
Not only does it make sense, it's so beautifully expressed. Yes. It makes perfect sense. And I think a lot of people watch I'll speak for myself. I've been brooding on this because my whole job is to try and find out what's happening and then explain it.
And it's just an endless series of frustrating cul de sacs where you're like, why can't we know this, that, the other thing, I mean, whatever the story is. And in the last two weeks, I feel like I've gotten closer to understanding what's actually going on. And of course I could be completely wrong, but I'm not. And it's made me so much happier because the conclusion I've sort of let go of a lot of my frustration and fear because I've realized that we already know exactly what this is. Don't know a lot of the details, know, could be wrong about this or that, you know.
But big picture, we know exactly what's going on. And I think at this point that if all the information on all these different threads, whatever it is, especially the murders, not just the recent murders or attempted murders, but the more historical ones, If all the relevant information came out tomorrow, would we be surprised? No, we wouldn't. We know what's up actually. And there's enough evidence, but also our instincts tell us just by watching, what is this?
And I agree with you completely, it's not just about Israel, this country, it's about whether or not self government actually exists. Do any of these countries have a system where the people decide who their leaders are and what the country should do collectively. Not really. Or it's more complex than that. Yes, I think elections are to some extent real and all that, but in the end, the big decisions are made not by nations or kings or presidents or whatever we imagine.
They're made by, you know, the world's richest people. And I no. I don't think that's an ethnic group. It's not code language for the Jews. It's it's what it seems to be.
It's the people with the biggest stake in this who have the most to gain and the most to lose are never gonna leave the big decisions to, like, three ZIP codes in Pennsylvania. Like, come on now.
Come on now. Yeah.
Come on, son. Like, you know that that's true. And I'm not saying by the way, I'm not claiming, you know, the all elections are totally rigged or whatever. The source code belongs to Maduro. I'm not making any specific claims like that because I don't know if they're true or not.
But I know the big picture. If we we know that Kennedy was pushing up against some forbidden things, and that's why he was killed. And who killed him? Well, it's not it's too easy to say it was this group or that group or this group. It was all those groups acting in concert or parts of those groups acting in concert.
Course. That's all of what this is. Right? Do you feel that?
I I I like what you said about, if all the pieces came out, would you be that surprised? Like, if they laid the cards completely out. Epstein, for example.
You know, the one that everyone's. Right. I feel
like that whole thing is is some sort of a I think there's some there's definitely stuff there, but then also it's been such a kickball and a ruse for so long. Yeah. It's like both political parties had a chance to put it out or to get none of these people are operating on our behalf. That's what it feels like.
Well, that's kind of the truth that I'm talking about. That's what we would learn.
That's what's scary. It feels like came out. If we had it feels like well, so many of us believe and have believed and have forefathers that have spilt their blood and risked their lives and have friends who are enlisted now to protect this thing that I feel like we this idea of America. Yes. And then that idea has gotten super blurry in the past few years.
It has. And especially at a time when I think a lot of people like there's a lot of fears with, like, technology in the future and not knowing, like where we're gonna find our sense of purpose. Right? That's a big thing that we talk about on this show a lot of our time is like, you know, where, well, where do you find your sense of purpose? And people find it a lot of times in their job, through their family, in their country, through their, religion, through their faith.
So, you know, some of those start to go away, and some of those even look blurrier for the future, almost like it's like, Marty McFly when he looks at that picture, it looks like he doesn't even exist. Yes. You know? And so it starts to make you think like, you know, if if more of our purpose disappears and our traditions are challenged by media over the years, that they're not that they're wrong or they're racist or they're this or they're that, then you kind of end up with just, I don't know. It makes you feel like, well, what do I end up even what even is the value of me at a certain point?
I have an answer. I have the answer. Okay.
And I don't also wanna sound too dour. Like, I'm also looking at it from that perspective.
Speaking for millions of people when you say this. Like, everyone can feel I think people feel exactly what you're saying. And I
still also feel like a lot of moments of hope of, like, you know, like, okay. So I focus on my family. I focus on my friends. I focus on, doing something nice for someone. I focus on somebody else other than myself.
You know, I do those things that do give you feelings of meaning and purpose. Right? So anyway, I'm not trying to be like a Debbie Downer, but go on.
I think just the opposite. And by the way, I just wanna amplify what you just said because that is the answer. And then those aren't just feelings of meaning and purpose, that's the definition of meaning and purpose, is to love the people around you, not people you've never met, not abstract concepts, communism, fascism, Zionism, whatever your ideology is. No, it's people. That's what it means to live a meaningful life is to serve other people.
And by other people, I mean people who are physically present, who are connected to you in organic ways, like your relatives, your friends, your coworkers, your roommates, the people God puts in your path. Those are the people you love. Your waitress. That's what it really means to love people. So that's number one, always.
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Ketamine.
And that's bailing out. There's people falling asleep at the car wash. They just had a guy. He fell asleep in there.
Yeah. Well, those of us who've already been down the drug path are a little skeptical of being saved by drugs.
Oh, for sure. But it's also dangerous. Those brush some of those brushes are sharp in there. Like, I fucking fell asleep in that car wash. He was in for two cycles.
He had that sedan that went through, and finally, someone in backseat saw him on the side. That dude was in there getting polished up.
You know? He was a ketamine cashier.
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Man, I thought I had I've never done ketamine, but but I do think okay. So the first purpose is to love the people around you in your immediate orbit, and the second purpose is to tell the truth. So the short, the one sentence description of the whole thing that you just laid out, the way you're feeling, is that we are discovering that we actually don't have control over anything big happening. We have no control. Right.
And all this shit, all these systems that we've created and cherished and believed in and died for, as you said, were all in some sense illusory. They were fake because they gave us the false impression that we have control, whether it's over our government or the future or whatever. We don't have any control. We are on a commercial airliner in a thunderstorm. Okay?
That's just what it is. And if you're in 17 B, you have no control over whether the plane lands safely or crashes. You just don't. You have no control. We have to metabolize that, like accept that.
And once you do, there's total freedom in that. I actually can't protect myself really. As we say in my family, our family motto is there is no safety, there's only destiny. There is no safety, there's only destiny. And that's like the deepest truth of life.
We're not the authors of our lives, we can't really control that much about them except a couple of things. Do we love the people around us, and do we tell the truth? And if you wanna prepare yourself for the turmoil that's only going to accelerate, this is all obvious, all of us can feel the reason we're also freaking anxious is we can feel this is the prelude to, like, real turbulence. Like, every person. Dogs can feel a thunderstorm coming three hours out.
We can feel that.
Oh, yeah. You'll see your neighbors doing circles in
the yard. Percent, dude. And that's exactly we are the German shepherds starting to freak out in the backyard because the weather's coming, and we can't see it. But they can feel it, and we can all feel that. So how do you protect yourself?
Obviously, buy gold, stash ammo. I believe in all that. But really what you need to do is make yourself strong inside by collecting your people close to you, staying in close touch with them, and telling the truth because telling the truth gives you spiritual power. The more you tell the truth, the more you are filled with supernatural power. You become invulnerable, to the extent a human being can be.
I'm telling the truth, and I don't care if you kill me. I really don't care because what I'm saying is real, and it will outlive me. If you get into that habit, the exercise of just being honest
Mhmm.
As much as you can be, of course, you're a human being, you'll lie all the fucking time because you can't help it. But if you keep doing that, you'll be filled with a spiritual power that is stronger than any other power.
Do you believe that our country is compromised?
Do I believe it's compromised?
Yeah. Yeah. I do. Do you believe that it's reversible?
You know, I believe so. I mean, again, I'm so old. I'm 56, so like, I just grew up believing in everything. You know?
You're younger than Leanne Morgan? We just had her in here. Really? Have you ever listened to her?
No. Oh my gosh. She seem old?
No. She's great, dude. Both of you guys look great. Really?
She's older than I am?
Yeah. She told me she was, unless she was lying.
I don't believe her. There's that new thing. A lot of women do that. They pretend to be a lot older. That's like the true Jedi move for a woman to be like, actually, I'm 61.
Like, a conventional woman always be like, actually, I'm 29, but the really smart ones will be like, I'm almost 70.
Yes. That's how they do it. I think
it's Right.
She's a wonderful, beautiful comedian, and she's hilarious. But, anyway, she was a senior, but she's 60 years old. Both of
y'all She uses nicotine. Great.
I bet she does she did smoke, she said, in college.
Yes. See, look what it did for her.
And she wears tight bras because she says it keeps her awake. So I love her. Yeah, do you think it's like and I guess that's a big question. And, also, going back to what you said a little bit ago, like you said, but then I look at the history of time, and it's like people have always been under the thumb of some type of rule, haven't they?
Of course.
And so for us to be like I mean, it's weird. It's like part of you, it's like you're supposed don't be a baby about it. You know? Like, you're just being a Right. Like, there's some sort of oppression.
And even as people that can feed themselves, we're not as oppressed as so many other people
Yeah.
Or people that if they turn on the light, they're afraid it's gonna activate a bomb in the corner of their room.
Had dinner with a guy who works for us last night, literally last night. And he said, where are you where are you born? He goes, I was born in Eritrea, but I I grew up in a Sudanese refugee camp. I came to The United States. He's an amazing guy and a wonderful, wonderful guy.
But I was like, gosh. You know? I'm really I'm from La Jolla. Right. It's like stop whining.
Dude, this is my internal dialogue. Stop whining. Stop whining. I had
to fly Southwest yesterday. Oh, no one's something more than me.
Yeah. La Jolla. But La Jolla is for sure the lap of luxury of America.
Oh, yeah. And almost every single childhood friend of mine was totally destroyed. Really? Not all, but most.
Oh, for sure. Just by the
Drugs. Wow. Drugs. And
Good drugs too. Oh,
the best. Didn't put they did not put baby laxative in our cocaine growing up. Oh. No. No.
That was a ghetto thing.
Yeah. Yeah. No. We had God.
It was almost blue.
We had to wear diapers that it had so much baby laxative. It came with diapers. It came with fucking Huggies, bro. That's it. We had some stuff we bought
on Yeah. No. No. I grew up in a in a but anyway, the point
is Right. The point is, though, that we've there's always been some sort of, like there's always been a rule. There's always been something like that. I think that
but The older you are, the sadder it is to see your illusion shattered and the harder it is to pivot. So if you talk to people who are, like, 23 and you're like, I think the moon landing's fake. They're like, yeah, Gramps. It was always fake. Like, what are you talking about?
Who the fuck thought
that was real? Look at the video one time. Exactly. So that's a Yeah. It's kinda crazy.
Someone one a friend of mine who's unfortunately gone insane, but was a genius called James Carville once said he goes,
James Carville from the Democratic Party is from Louisiana.
Oh, he lives in New Orleans. Oh, yeah. No. I know him well. And he he's gone crazy and whatever, but he really was in his prime like a genius and someone I listened to very carefully.
And he once said to me, never I'm forget we're in a restaurant, some foreign country, and he goes,
you know, people misunderstand the theory of evolution.
And I was like, can't do his accent, but he'd be
like, survival of the fittest. That's bullshit. That's not what he was saying.
And I said, well, what was he saying? He goes, it's survival of the most flexible. It's adaptability. And he had this whole incredible rap about strength is not actually the quality that helps you persevere in the face of change. It's flexibility, the ability to pivot with changes that you can't control.
It's not the mass. It's the sail.
Exactly. And in fact, strength can be a feature of rigidity can be a feature of strength. Like, your your windowpane is strong as hell. It'll last two hundred years, but if you tap it, it'll just shatter. No.
You need to be able to move with the moment that you live in. And so I feel like young people are in a pretty good spot. But yes, for older people, it's hard to it's very upsetting. I'm sure you feel it. You're much younger than I, but you still feel it like, oh my gosh, I thought this was real and it's not.
And it's like heartbreaking. It's crushing.
I see it a lot in, like, just my my probably my mother and things like that see their disappointment kind of Yes. Yes. Just uncertainty about what's going on.
And they love the country so much. Yeah. It's real. It's sincere love too.
That's the thing. I mean, it's like it's something that's beautiful that you felt like was a certain way. And now maybe some ethnicities and cultures didn't feel like it was that way. And so sometimes I can understand that there's different points of view there, but I still believe that the idea of America and what it's been, and that its goals and that the humans that want it to be that are that it's altruistic, you know? A 100%.
But that you start to realize, oh, that these powers above us, they're they have something different going on in that. They you would think that they would I guess they would just won't tell us. You know? And so I think that's where some some of my fear is. It's just like
Well, evil thrives in darkness. So there's no doubt about that.
Yeah. It's like, what does it mean to be part of something moving forward? What does that thing even look like? Like, if I'm a citizen here now, what is in five years, what is what am I a citizen of? If I am I a citizen of a country that does genocides?
Am I a citizen? You know? Who am I? You know? Like, I think I was watching some of the Gaza stuff, and I kept thinking, like, well, surely America will come in at some point and help.
Stop this.
Right. That was like my thought.
Especially since we're not when you say genocide, you're not guessing. It's not like some propaganda term. It's the definition, and we know that not just from the video of its victims, but from the testimony of the people perpetrating it. Members of the current government, hot cabinet secretaries in the current Israeli government are on tape, including this week, saying we kill them because of how they were born.
Is that
true? Oh my yeah. Like, what's an example? Smotrich Bengevere. Oh, many look.
We need to ex get them out.
Let me see that.
These are people who are born there.
I just wanna see if that's
Oh, it's insane.
It
is? Because look. People you know, you often hear apologists for what's happening there, for the atrocities say, well, look. It's war. People die.
Okay. One of the reasons I'm not that enthusiastic about war because innocents die. We always have to oppose the murder of innocence or else we're not civilized. What is civilization? We're on the good side.
We're civilized. There are savages. There are a lot of savages in this world. I know some. And what separates the savage from the civilized person is the civilized person will never accept the murder of innocence.
You didn't do anything wrong. We can't kill you. It's that simple.
Well, just I don't like it's
if it's unfair. But that's the definition of unfair. You didn't do anything. A child didn't do anything. Yeah.
Or an unarmed woman did not deserve to be murdered. And who is this? That's Shmohan's that's the finance minister of Israel.
The truth is until the last hostage returns, we shouldn't even give water to the Gaza Strip. For a year and a half, we've been beating the hell out of Hamas. We're breaking Gaza apart, leaving it as a pile of rubble. With total unprecedented destruction in the world, and the world still hasn't stopped us. The aim is to achieve the one and only required outcome, the conquest of Gaza, the annihilation of Hamas, and the return of all the hostages.
In one word, victory. So that's their view on
it right there. You know? He's saying we're killing people and leveling the country in order to move the population out. So how is that different from saying there are certain people in my capital city I don't want here. I'm gonna put them on trains and move them east.
There's there's no difference. People are being killed and expelled from the place where they were born because of their bloodline. Yeah. That tip in the world that I grew up in, which is The United States Of America, the main lesson, the lesson of World War two, the reason we fought against fascism was we reject that.
Yeah. That's a We
do not kill people expel them or put them on trains or put them in internment camps or move them to, quote, third countries as Smosher just said Because of they were born. Yeah. Exactly. Because of their bloodline. Because we don't accept that because we're Christians.
We think that every person was created as an individual and judged as an individual, period.
And this to me
We don't believe in this shit. That's the enemy of civilization right there. The Israelis, to be clear, are not the only people who think this way. Plenty of people think this way. But we are better than all of them because we don't think this way.
And all of a sudden, you've got people in The United States current United States government. You've got people in our media class. They're all defending this because they agree with it. And then you see people jumping up and being like, Muslims shouldn't have jobs in The United States. And it's like or in the US government.
It's like, how is that better than saying Jews shouldn't have jobs or Christians or Buddhists? It's all the same. That kind of thinking is genocidal. It leads to the genocide we're watching right now in Gaza and to many other genocides. For the fifth time, it's not just Israel.
It does this. Okay? But this is what we're fighting against. This is why we're better. Why are we better?
Because we have more bet and better shopping or because we have, you know, Mount Shasta and Key West? No.
It's because we have some moral compass
there. Exactly.
And we're able to also take care of ourselves at the same time, I think.
But our moral compass is what? It's based on what's the North what's North at our moral compass. We don't kill innocents. And, yes, we have, and we regret it, and we grieve over it because it's wrong. That's our moral compass right there.
If you didn't do anything wrong, we don't get to kill you or expel you from your home because you're innocent, because we believe in justice, also called fairness. That's the whole fucking point of this country. And so when I see people arguing against that or calling me a Nazi when they're literally wholesale adopting the Nazi mindset, I I just my but then I think, you know what? I'm not mad. This is the state of play in life.
It's always been this way, and my job is what? To love the people around me and to tell the truth no matter what. And I think that's freeing.
Yeah. Well, I think I do think once you say, like, yeah, if I get to a point where I can just share what I think or what I feel, whether I'm right or wrong Yes. If I can speak up for my feelings. But then also if you look at our history, we kind of America was did that to other people when when it started. Yes.
And you would think that we learned that it was wrong, and that's where we are now.
Well, we've acknowledged that it's wrong, I think. I mean, look. There's a you can acknowledge something is wrong without I'm not kind of flagellating to the point where you're incapable of, like, going forward, which
is quite the problem. It's like you can't do it to the point where you're incapable of going forward. Oh, well, we also this this mistake was made not by us. This mistake was made by people in the past or at that time who believed that colonialism was fine, and that was a different people were playing by a different set
of rules. Point of America is that we have, like, standards of decency, fairness. I love that you use that word because that is the core of it. It's fairness. Justice is overused.
Fairness is underused. It's just a child knows what's fair. If his brother's getting three Oreos and he's getting one, that's just unfair. He doesn't have a degree in economics. He just feels it.
He knows it. The sense of fairness is innate. Dogs have it because it's part of the natural fabric. It's organic. And we are a fair country, and the rich man gets the same treatment in the justice system as the poor man.
It doesn't matter where you're from. You're both citizens and you're both equal because you're both created by God. That's our whole system in one sentence, and that is being eroded because the people who run our system agree with Smotrich and every other third world dictator. These people are damned by their birth, whatever they are. That's what affirmative action is.
It's like, no. I don't like the way your parents looked. You don't get the job. What? That's what we hated about the Nazis, what we hated about segregation, which I wanna say was evil.
Segregation was evil. Why? Because it punished some people and rewarded others on the basis of things they couldn't control, their skin color.
Yeah. And we'd had mixed babies a lot sooner too, which are pretty cute a lot of them,
to be honest of other effects.
But, like, the fairness is what we need to preserve. Why is Epstein infuriating? Because it's unfair. That's why. Not because he molested kids or his buddies molested kids.
It's because the president of Harvard was involved in it. Alan Dershowitz, all these famous people. Prince retard, whatever the guy in Great Britain, that kind of retarded looking prince. Yeah. This guy is Bill Gates.
All the most powerful people in the world got away with it. And there's tons of child molestation in America, but there's expectation that they'll be punished for doing it. These people we know in our hearts will never be punished because they're rich. But we don't know That's unfair.
We don't know for sure that they molested children,
though. Of we don't. We don't know for sure. But we know that there's never been a real inquiry into it because the people around it were powerful and rich. That we can say for sure, and that's still happening.
Okay. Well, that I'll say is that, yeah, there's obvious that there's not a it feels like there's a unfair investigation that's or or a lack of investigation, or it's just this lie that keeps getting remodeled. It's this clay of a lie that keeps getting remodeled and put into the museum in front of us all the time.
But go to all your neighbors on
the street and ask them. Oh, everybody thinks something happened?
No. But ask them, like, if you if your name popped up as, like, a visitor to Petto Island 11 times, do you think you would, like, be protected in the way that all these other people have been protected? Of course not. You have no money in power. You'd be
Oh, Drownings had a fast pass, I think, if anybody had one.
Guy's unbelievable.
I don't know. But I don't know anything. That's just allegedly. So I have to pee really fast.
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Nope.
Anyway, we just took a pee break, guys, so we're back. Why do you think that you made the anti Semite list?
I think because I'm not an anti
Semite. Right. And I get what you're saying.
No, but I mean, I'm literally not an anti Semite, and I reject anti Semitism as totally immoral. Christian. So I'm not only not by temperament an antisemite, you know, a million Jewish people I love, I also reject it as a way of thinking. And so why would they call me that? And it's sincere, again, for the fifth time.
If I was, I would just say so. And I'm not. So why do they call me that? Well, because I think they think I'm effective, because I'm not a hater. Right?
So they have to take out the guy who actually might change people's minds. But I think it's deeper than that. I think there's spiritual dimension where they want me to become an antisemite and a hater, both so they can control and dismiss me. Oh, he's a Nazi. He's David Duke or whatever.
He's crazy. But also because some of the people pushing this are evil, and by evil, I mean specifically they are committed to lying and violence. Those are hallmarks of evil, lying and violence and chaos and division.
So they're not gonna play by any other rules.
No. This is not so we're not in a we're not where we used to be or we used to pretend we
were.
We all thought we were playing by the same rules.
Right. And the rules were if you have a better argument than I have, then you win. Yeah. And may the best argument win. We're so far beyond that.
And I think the murder of Charlie Kirk was the moment when we could just admit it to ourselves. This is a guy whose whole life revolved around the proposition. Let's let's debate. And they didn't wanna debate whoever they is. They murdered him.
And and to be specific, who killed Charlie Kirk? Well, I don't know is the short answer. But I when we do find out, if we ever do, doubt we will. But if we do, I think, again, we'll not be surprised. It's just all tentacles from the same octopus, and the octopus is evil.
Right.
It's not an ethnic group. It's not a country. It's evil. This is what evil is. What is evil?
Evil is a commitment to deception and violence, period. That's what it is. So it's too easy to be like, oh, it's Netanyahu or Smotrich or whatever. No. It's evil.
It's existed from the beginning of time. It will exist until the end of time, and it has been the thing against which people have fought through all of history. It's evil. It manifests itself in a million different ways, but its hallmarks are always dishonesty and violence.
Yeah. It feels like we've been a bit afraid to stand up against evil. Does that make sense to you?
Of course,
it does. John Rich was just talking about it on your podcast the other day, and I thought that that was a really neat episode. Wonderful. And I, I learned a lot about John Rich, and just like his clarity of thought, I thought was really neat.
We were on a hunting trip and a pheasant hunting trip two weeks ago when we did that. He could shoot too, which is nice. Can he? He can. He was bringing him down.
We had a lot of hits, know.
But that yeah. But we shouldn't be afraid of it, and we shouldn't be so my struggle is against being shocked. Like, every time I learn something, I'm like, holy shit. I can't believe.
I'm so I can't believe it.
Like, this or that institution's corrupt or this or that person is lying. And it's like the I'm acting like a child. Why would I be shocked? That's what this is. What did you think it was, dude?
We live in a fallen world filled with dishonesty and violence. My job all of our jobs are to fight against those things. Yeah. People always wanna be in
a war. People always like, man, I wish I had something that was a challenge in the world. It's like, we are in we are in a fight of good and evil.
We are.
And it's not to say that any of us are perfect or that we don't all have mistakes or things that we wish we had done or not done. But overall, it does feel like this is like a video game of good versus evil, and you have to start to see that, like, you're a player in it. One thing that
I This is why you're so effective. This is why, you know, at some point people may try to make you be quiet is because you approach all of this with humility, which is one of the hallmarks of good in my opinion. Almost every sentence you begin on this topic begins with, I'm no one to judge and I'm not You know? That is the posture. Humility is the posture.
And one thing you notice about evil is its certainty, is its judgmental, condemnatory quality. You know, Mark Levin, you're evil. You're fascist, anti Semite, Nazi, Islamist, whatever. It's mirror images what you just showed, which is, you know, we're all kinda screwed up, but we're trying to get to the truth. Like, that is that's the approach.
Posture. That's the way to tell the truth.
Well, think that's what most people are doing. That's what most people are trying. You know?
I feel truly honest. Like, I've been wrong about so much. Am I really the standard to be like, I am positive? This is like, no. I'm doing the best I can.
That's the only honest way to approach it.
When especially, like, as a country, when you're paying into taxes and you're and you're, showing up to vote and you're, trying to help your neighbor and you're, you know, you're trying to follow the rules and do the best that you can, you know, you at a certain point, that's like, you're you're you're giving into something as a group that you're like giving into something like, this is how we believe that we should behave and that it best suits us moving forward. And then when it's it's really started to just feel, and I think it's kind of obvious at this point that the higher ups are not working for us anymore. They're not working with us. And that's what I think has become the most evident, in the past year, especially is that people are like, oh, our no matter who we elect on which side, whatever it is, it's all this sort of shell game. And we're finally starting to see some of it.
And I thought it was interesting that
Well, not working for us is the is the kind of the most benign description. Like, not working for you, that's just indifference. That's abandonment. That's when your parents, go on vacation, don't come home. What's happening to us is having, like, a creepy stepfather.
Like, I actually think there's malicious intent here.
But how could so many politicians and stuff get compromised? That's what I don't understand. Wouldn't there be more people that stood up and said, hey. This isn't right? Like, I I I that's what
I find hard to believe. Well, because they all made the deal. And all of them all of them make the deal, and the deal is not always explicit in the deal. Everyone thinks it's about sexual blackmail, which is totally real. All the porn sites are visible.
Like, go to a porn site. People know exactly what you're looking at. There's video of you looking at it. It's just a fact. And, okay.
So there's that. Yeah. And there are a lot of them are secretly gay. Of course, we know that. But I don't think and have drinking problems or cheating otherwise or whatever.
Enough to keep people No. I think it's actually deeper than that. It's not enough. It's not enough. Like, the obvious ones.
Like, why is Lindsey Graham for this or that war? It's like, okay. Yeah. I got it. But a lot because
if you're trying to slurp on little fellas or whatever or you're jacking off to, like, you know, bud activity or whatever, like, does that, like, you know, Like, I mean, definitely Horfont on little fellas. I mean, pedophile is bad. It is not good at all. It's horrible. Right?
But if you're just, like, looking at I'm just like That's
not the answer, though. It's not that's not most of them are not being sexually blackmailed.
Some
are. I mean, I think the Epstein thing was probably that to some extent. But no, it's much deeper and more recognizable and part of our daily life than that. It's much more insidious than that because it's less dramatic than that. It's the deal that we all make with ourselves to get what we want.
Like, I wanna be powerful. I wanna get reelected. I wanna get rich. I wanna bang that girl. And you make these compromises with yourself in which you consciously decide to be dishonest.
You decide, in some cases, violent. That is true. Or whatever. How do they
get so many people, though? Because, like, you look at
some system itself is that. Like, you get in order to get elected, I have to do the following things. I have to basically subvert democracy by carrying water for a tiny group of people against the interests of my actual voters. Like, that itself is a sin. It's a crime, but it's so ubiquitous.
You don't even notice it. It's deals like that. I'm gonna take money from a foreign lobby that somehow isn't registered as a foreign lobby or whatever. I'll support this thing that I think is probably pretty wrong, but I'm gonna do it because I have to. Mhmm.
It's those kind of moral compromises that wind up making people slaves, and that's what they are. They're slaves. We have hundreds of slaves, otherwise known as men members of congress. And what are they slaves to? Evil.
Because they've made these compromises in order to get what they think is the prize, which is reelection.
Dang. It's a crazy movie.
It's real, though, man. I know. That's a crazy all of us. Like, all of us have made that deal. That's why it's so important to reframe it in your head.
It's not just some freak on Peto Island, you know, banging a child and then, oh, they have him by the balls because they have videotape of him. No. No. It's all of us. If I just do this thing, it's worth it, man.
It's for the greater good. It's for my family. It's for you know, I need you hear this every election season.
Right. I need a vote the Anita.
I don't wanna vote for the shithead, but we need to control the congress. What is that? You're making a deal with the devil, dude. With the devil. That's what that is.
Bet on before me, and all of this will be yours. That's the deal. Don't
make
that deal because you lose yourself. You lose your freedom. All of sudden, you're a slave. And you see these politicians, They're like, oh, no. It's it's not.
No. There are good reasons for doing this. No. Really? What is that?
It's not a free man. That's an enslaved man. And you know the people who are free because they exude this kind of peace and joy, and they're like, no. I don't care. I'll say whatever I think is true.
You can shoot me. Go ahead and shoot me. It's not gonna change anything because you're lying, and I'm not. Like Right. It's freedom versus slavery, and we put ourselves in slavery with that deal.
Well, the pain of, like, of holding on to, like, lies and stuff like that Yes. And shame and stuff like that, it's really
But haven't we all lived that? You've lived that. Right? For sure. Yes.
Well, that's why getting sober is so liberating. Not just because you're not on drugs or alcohol, which is self liberating, but because you admit what you did. And then you're like, oh, man. I admitted I was a cokehead or I drank vodka in the morning. In my case, it's like, it's pretty fucking embarrassing.
But once you admit it, it's like
I was putting alps in my butt.
Yeah. No. It's ZYN. Sorry. ALP is oral use only.
Alps for the front.
It's the pouch for your mouth. Oh, I like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Alps for the front. They should say for the front on them. They should have a special
We may do that. We're gonna get that hat because we already have for oral use only the pouch for the mouth, but this goes in the front.
Yeah. Yeah.
But you're gonna have, like, some urethral injuries if we're not more specific.
Dude, I used to date a girl, and her cooter was, like, way more in the front than it was, like, kind of in the lower part.
Actually? Yeah. How did that work mechanically?
It worked. You know? It just I don't know. I don't know all the logistics or whatever.
You sure it wasn't post op? Was this natural?
No, this was natural, dude. And I worked in urban planning, so I know how, you know what I'm saying? Like, I know how things work a little bit, but yeah, she had the
You understand bridges tunnels is what
I'm Yeah.
Yeah.
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I think I think leadership is the most important thing.
Why doesn't somebody come up with an app and that tells us, like, who like, what elected like, who's running? Right? Because a lot of people don't have time to focus on exactly who's running. Right? They don't have as much time.
They're busy. Both parents are working. People are running around. They're picking their kids up. They gotta get their kid to T ball.
Gotta They make sure their kids get fed. Totally. And they have to make sure that the some one of the parents is there to read them a bedtime story for the other parent goes and works on that as a security guard somewhere, just to make ends meet. Right? So why don't they have, an app that says, okay.
This these are the candidates. This one doesn't accept any money from any of these places. It feels like it would be very easy and obvious to create an app like that that would tell you exactly who to vote for.
I think that's right. The problem is we're getting to a point of like knowledge about things, like people sort of are figuring out what's going on, that in order to be honest now, you have to be truly honest. I think people are so wary of being lied to that if you sense that someone's like, gotta you know, I'll be all honest about this stuff and not about that thing. That's not enough. So true honesty, also called integrity, is what is needed.
It's hard. Well, you get killed. You You get killed. Like, the system itself, and this is not the result of any foreign power or any this is just like the nature of systems, will work to expel you the same way your body works to expel bacteria or cancer. It's like the organism doesn't want this, and you see it.
I've known very few honest members of congress. I've known a couple, however. One of them just left congress, and the other is being primaried.
MTG, you're talking about? Margery Taylor Greene?
Exactly. And and Thomas Massey from Kentucky. And by the way, I don't agree with everything. It doesn't it's not even about that.
What does being primary mean? I'm sorry to interrupt you.
It means that your own party says, we want you out, and so we're gonna run someone from your party against you in the primary. Your party has turned on you. And it's like, what is that about? And it's about not simply the fact that he disagrees with them on foreign policy, which is really the whole project really is just foreign policy, nothing to do with, like, your tax rates or your debt load.
Yeah. He's, like, anti APAC. He's big against those tax
And he's not for pointless wars. So that's a deal killer. But it's not just that. It's the he so, yeah, the Israeli lobby's mad at him. Got it.
But it's deeper. It's he won't be controlled. And if he doesn't think something, he's not gonna say it. Period. He may be wrong, but he's sincere.
Sincerity is the kryptonite. That's that's what makes the evil person die is sincerity. No. I really mean it. I'm not kidding.
You I can't be bought. I'm totally sincere. If they smell sincerity on you, well, that's why they're calling me
the most dangerous antisemite since Adolf Hitler himself. It's like, what? Because I'm not a genius.
I'm not powerful at all. I'm a fucking podcaster. Like, I don't have actually any power, but I'm not kidding at all. I'm completely sincere. I may be wrong.
I often have been, but I'm not joking. Yeah. That itself so they're hassling me. Imagine if I was a member of congress or a presidential candidate or anybody who has sincerity is marked immediately because that person's a threat to everybody currently benefiting from the system. And you saw that with Marjorie.
Yeah. What do you think happened there? Because a lot of people say that allegedly she made a lot of money off of stock returns and stuff like that.
That just cracks me up. That's like saying, you know, have you been I know I was just talking to Tim Dillon the other day. Was a friend of mine. Awesome guy.
But He's the best.
He is the best. And but, you know, he's everyone they're all claiming,
he's taking money from Qatar.
Yeah. Me too. They say that.
Oh, they say that about
you? Yeah. I went there once. I had a blast, dude.
I'm going tomorrow. Are you? I'm buying a house in Qatar. Why am I doing that? Because fuck you.
Not only have I never taken a dollar from Qatar or anybody. I have no investors. Zero. I have no debt. I don't owe anybody anything, period, and never will.
I've never taken money for them. I'm gonna I'm gonna invest money in Qatar. I'm gonna do just the opposite just to just to give the figure. Plus, it's a great country.
Dude, I had a great time when I was there. They treated us super nice. I know that they have different rules and stuff for their people. Yeah. That we may disagree with some of them and stuff like that.
It's like, but those aren't my rules. I don't have to you know, like, if I go visit, I have to live by their rules. But, if I'm if I'm if I'm from our country, then I can live by
our rules. Completely agree. But they they accuse you of what they are, and what they are is corrupt. So, Marjorie, did she make a ton of money trading on stocks with insider information? I bet my house she didn't.
I mean, this is somebody I know well. You do know her well. I know well. And you can agree or disagree with her, of course, but you can't say she's in it for the money, really. I don't think so.
I don't think she's interested in money. I think she's interested in the country. And, again, we can debate whether she's on the right track or the wrong track. You think her ideas are smart or stupid, but her sincerity is the most obvious thing about her, and it's also the most threatening thing about her. In fact, it's the only thing that they hate is sincerity because sincerity is purity, and it can't be bought.
And so, of course, they the first thing they're like,
oh, you must be getting paid by somebody.
No. I'm not, and that's why you hate me. Yeah. If I if I was as corrupt as Dan Crenshaw, you really think they would hassle me?
Dan Crenshaw, the guy from Texas? Yeah. Is he corrupt?
Well, on the most deep on a moral level, he's completely corrupt. I mean, he takes orders from his donors to do things that have nothing to do with the welfare of his voters. So by definition, he's corrupt. Yes. And also crazy and and drunk all the rest.
Sad. Sad. I'm not actually
Oh, I think I met him at a nightclub Yeah. One
Well, I'm sure you did. But I shouldn't be I feel sorry for Dan Crenshaw being serious. But, anyway, the point is the more corrupt you are, the more they like you because they can control you. What they don't want is someone who might do something unexpected who they can't control. That's what they fear, obviously.
It's what everybody fears.
But do you think that as well, for for so for Marjorie, do you what do you think happened in that meeting? Because she had a meeting, I guess, with Trump.
I don't know. I don't know what happened between her and Trump. I know what happened to her over the past five years serving in congress, which was she was like
Trump withdrew Trump withdrew his political endorsement and publicly insulted Green, labeling her as a traitor due to her vocal opposition to his handling of Epstein files and other policy disagreements. Yeah. Green announced her resignation effective 01/05/2026 to avoid a divisive primary challenge. But why not
divisive? Uh-huh. Is it divisive?
A primary challenge? Divisive. Oh, divisive. I never figured it out. They change it so much.
Yeah. They do. They do.
Do they but why not go and challenge then? Why why secede then? Why not go and say, okay. I'm gonna keep fighting and people are gonna support you?
I honestly don't know the answer. You don't? The only thing I know I I really don't. I haven't talked to her about it, and I don't know the answer. I'm sure there's thinking behind it that I'm not that great at you know, the thinking about what the right move in politics is.
But I know big picture what happened because I saw it up close, which is she showed up very much like any other person. It's like, this country has problems. I wanna fix them. And she shows up, and all people are like, shut up, honey. She was getting too close to what the truth is.
And the truth is the people running the system are completely corrupt, and the welfare of their people, our country's people, is not even on their list of concerns at all. They're beholden to the people who pay them and or who threaten them. And she said that out loud, and oh man, she had like very few allies. Once you say that, you're marked. So I think she concluded, this is my understanding.
She concluded I can't. I'm having no effect here at all. It's driving me crazy. And the Epstein thing, you know, I've never understood what the justification for keeping that information secret. Epstein was murdered in prison.
I know a lot about it. I'm not just throwing that out there. Epstein was murdered in prison.
Well, put him with a cellmate that was kind of a like, former police officer. Right?
Yeah. A former police officer killed a number of drug dealers. I'm not saying that guy did it, but I'm saying, well, I asked Bureau of Prisons because I learned all this stuff about it because I know Epstein's brother, Mark, well. And I never expected to go down this rabbit hole at all. I had the guy called me like a week after his brother was killed.
Mark did?
Yeah. And yeah. I was literally sitting in my backyard in Maine, and he called me. And I don't know how he got my cell. And we and it ended up this years long thing.
It's not interesting, and I won't bore you with it, but the bottom line is Jeff Epstein was murdered in federal lockup in Manhattan in the secure unit. I think there were only 16 men on the unit, and I think only 14 there that I I may have thought slightly wrong, but it's very small, and it's the most secure federal lockup in The United States, and he got murdered in it. So that raises all kinds of obvious questions like, who has the power to do that? So it's a big deal. And then the the attorney general at the time helped cover it up, and I know him.
And, Bill Barr. So I and I say that, and he's like, oh, I'm gonna sue you. And I said, go ahead and sue me. I hope you will. And what's the answer?
Like, why don't you answer? He never will. Well, it turns out, and this does make you crazy, that his father, Donald Barr, is the guy who started Epstein's career, who both gave him his first job for which he was not qualified and then got him a second job at Bear Stearns for which he was definitely unqualified. What is that, former CIA guy, OSS guy. But, anyway, the point is that question of how an American citizen, kid toucher or not, could get murdered in federal lockup in our biggest city.
Like, holy shit. That should scare everybody. And then the attorney general of The United States is covering it up. He he admitted this is the attorney general when Epstein was murdered said, I told everyone around me, we need to make sure the country believes this was a suicide. It's you haven't even done a freaking investigation.
You're a you're the chief law enforcement officer, and you're telling me the outcome before you even look into it? How do you know that? Because he admitted it in his autobiography. And so I'm not guessing at any of this stuff. Okay?
So so I called Bureau of Prisons, and I'm like, I want the names of the inmates who are serving on this block. Because clearly nobody got in or out of the block. It's Right. Well, it
also was a question of hope to our, like, to our prison system. It's like, how would you not know? Like, obviously, this is the guy you have to protect.
They did it
on purpose, and he was murdered clearly by another inmate. And there is so much I mean, I did, like, an hour on this. Anyone interested can look it up, but I I'm not a conspiracy. Not at all. I've been a journalist my whole life.
I've often been wrong, but I've always been attentive to what I believe the facts to be. I think it it really matters whether you're accurate, and I've tried to be. So it was not a perfect storm of screw ups. They never did the investigation into how this guy died. They redressed him in clothes that he wasn't wearing when he died for pictures in the hospital infirmary.
All the records of what happened to his body are gone. And, critically, we cannot get and I tried directly by calling the attorney general's office. I want a list of the names of the inmates. It's publicly available. They're convicted felons, dude.
Yeah. This is not secret information or national security information. Why can't you tell me that? They allowed him to be murdered in federal lockup. So leave all the Pedo Island stuff out of it.
And just ask yourself, how can we continue to live in a country where a high profile inmate can be murdered in our prison system by some who's powerful enough to do that?
Right.
And so these are not only legitimate questions, they're essential questions. And, like, we're mad at the people asking them.
That's the weirdest thing.
Fuck you. Yeah. That's Sorry. I'm tripping.
No. That's one of the craziest things right now. It feels like the people you're supposed to be able to ask, you can't, like, you we're the weird people now for asking questions. Like, it's like you get labeled as the weird guy for asking questions. They just said Don't
don't want them into your head.
They just said that lady Bari Weiss or whatever her name is, and she was on ABC. One of the
greatest liars in our public life.
Did you see this video she said? I think she mentioned you in it.
Unbelievable liar.
What is the head of CBS?
That I'm beginning to sort of reckon with right now is the extent of profound anti American and anti Jewish sentiment on large parts of the American right. A lot of the illiberalism on the left that came from the fringe into the mainstream of the Democratic Party began as a fringe online movement that a lot of Democrats and a lot of liberals waved away because it was just some crazy influencers online. And woe to the people that still are telling themselves that and still believe that the things that Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson are saying will not make an impact on the right because they will.
Everything about that is just so amazing to me. I'm anti American, really. That's Family's been here for four hundred years. I have no allegiance to any foreign country. I put my country first in you.
It takes a lot of balls for Barry Weiss who acts openly on behalf of a foreign country. Her only concerns are not American concerns. They pertain to the fortunes of foreign country.
Do they really?
Oh, yes. Yes. I'm not that's an informed statement. And calling me anti American, can say that Carlson's an asshole or whatever, but she has to call me the one thing that she is, which is like this weird psychology I have to say. I'm calling me a hater.
I'm a lot of things. A buffoon, a hothead, you know, a bad table manners, whatever, fat. I'm not anti American. That's all I care about.
Say fat. Maybe holiday chubby, maybe.
No. But okay. So that's the first thing.
Like, you seem like you own a couple Build A Bears probably. You know? But just the seasonal ones. I think you always look like you're ready for Christmas, Kyle.
You know what? I wear the same clothes, and it it keeps my weight down. I'm so cheap. I'm not buying new clothes ever. And I just wear I wear size thirty six.
And if I get above that, I'm just gonna suffer through it till I stop eating donuts. But, anyway and I'm not attacking look. Here's what I'm saying. I think Barry Weiss is super energetic.
And Why is this someone who's supporting a different country and not our country first, a head and network? Anti American. Right. But also
It's like, okay.
Barry Weiss is a vocal supporter of Israel describing her views as pro Israel.
Quote, Zionist fanatic calling me she's a self identified Zionist fanatic calling me a whatever. Obviously, I'm being too little.
She get to be the head? And and I don't know the lady, but why does she get to if if her allegiance isn't to America first, how is she the head of an American network?
Well, that's a, of course, an entirely fair question that, you're not allowed to ask. But here's the deeper thing that I've been meditating on recently is that a lot of our overlords like Barry Weiss are actually totally mediocre. And the most depressing thing about The United States in 2025 is that we're led not just by bad people, but by unimpressive, dumb, totally noncreative people. Barry Weiss has no experience in journalism at all. Like, she's never committed.
She's like an opinion writer or whatever for the New York Times or something. She's not a journalist. Like, never written a freaking story in her life,
and she's dumb. She doesn't know anything.
So that's fine. Lots of dumb people. My dogs are dumb. Don't hold it against him. But for you to ascend to the top of whatever pyramid you think you occupy, and you're not even impressive.
Like, Bill Ackman, same thing. Bill Ackman's worth, like, $8,000,000,000 or something. It's fine. I don't care if Bill Ackman whatever Bill Ackman does, but I know Bill Ackman. He's kinda dumb.
He's not ever created anything. He's totally noncreative. How do these people wind up running our biggest institutions? And the reason that's significant is because if you pay close enough attention and you realize that the people running everything are stupid, then you think, well, actually, the system is truly rigged on behalf of people who do not deserve these positions at all. It's not just that I disagree with Barry Weiss or she's calling me names or I'm calling her names or whatever.
It's like in no fair system, in no meritocracy would Barry Weiss rise above secretary. Like, actually, and I mean that. I've been in this business my whole I've been in this business since Barry Weiss was breastfeeding. Okay? There's no world in which Barry Weiss rises to the top of a news network except a rigged world.
That's it. Does that make sense?
It's it's shocking to me.
Right. They're not like, people aren't even putting their best people in front. Like, they're they're
It's almost a humiliation exercise. It's like we're gonna take someone as stupid as Bill Ackman and give him $8,000,000,000. We're gonna take someone as stupid and totally noncreative, like, literally uninformed. Like, she didn't even know who Assad was. Like, she's an idiot, and we're gonna put her in charge of CBS News just to show that individual merit, energy, creativity, which is the most important thing.
Creativity is what a healthy society rewards because we are designed to create things. That's why we're not animals. We're human beings. The creative power is the spark that distinguishes us from all other species. We create things.
God created the world. He created us in his image, and we henceforth create things. So creativity has to be the most rewarded factor in any healthy society. And now because our society is inverse, it's upside down, creativity is penalized. How dare you say that?
It's not what every other drone is saying. It's not the machine tells us to say. And Barry Weiss, the single least creative human being, the single most robotic. What are the talking points? Repeating them, that person winds up at the top of the pyramid.
It is that is what offends me. It's not that she loves Israel. I don't give a shit what she thinks of Israel. It's not that she criticizes me. Obviously, I don't really care.
It's that her presence at the top of CBS News means all of those institutions are totally fake. That's what that's why.
All of what institutions? The news institutions are That institution. Wall
Street if Bill Ackman, you tell me one and I'm not even, like, moralizing, and I don't hate Bill Ackman, but, like, Bill Ackman's an idiot. Who is he? I don't know him. He's a hedge fund guy who's made most of his money by short selling. And that means I go on CNBC and I attack your your company.
Its stock price falls, and I've made a reverse bet against the stock price, and I get rich. You tell me how that benefits your society. Talking about American companies? Like, how is that productive? How is that the act of creation?
It's the act of destruction. And I give you $8,000,000,000, the whole system is is rigged. Okay?
I well, I think a lot of people feel that now. They feel like this they feel like the system is rigged. They feel like there's no way for them to win. They feel like it's all insider trading. They feel like it's Hollywood or the news creates a narrative that affects what goes on, and then other
people will garbage. The mass media, all of it is turning out slopping and
saying understand that. But how does that evolve? How do things get better?
It those institutions are done. So our job, again, is to love the people around us and tell the truth. And in that act, we make things better. Okay? Because new I mean, dude, you got the second biggest podcast in the world or something?
I mean, I don't think
I haven't looked at the charts. But Okay. You're doing good. I know you're number seven.
I've been in this my whole life. You've been in this, like I don't know. You're a stand up comedian, and all of a sudden, you're, like, dominating global podcasting. It's like, how did that happen? That's the new it's just one example, but that's the new institution.
Yeah. Dude, we're doing our best, dude.
No. But it's working. That's the point.
It's glasses aren't even real the other day.
Are those not those are pretty ugly to be fake. If you're gonna buy yeah. If you're
gonna buy fake glasses, like, Everybody hates these. I just got them.
They used to call those birth control glasses. Really? Yeah. Those work. You're never gonna impregnate anyone in those glasses.
Would you know my name? I'm never gonna
knock anybody. You're right. You're right. You're totally right. You just you know what?
I think you just overcame your eyewear with that. This is gonna You break out the acoustic era, Clapton, and even I wanna sleep with you. I totally agree. No. But I think for all the like, I do think what's the phrase they use?
The black pill
or whatever. Everyone's like, so it's all
falling apart. That's a stage on the continuum. This is an arc of consciousness, and you realize, holy shit. Everything is terrible. It's falling apart.
And then you get through that. Right. This just happened to me. I just got through it. And I'm like, yes.
But a new world is being born, like, for real, and it's beautiful, and it's honest, and it's creative. It's not just it's not fake. Everything what you hate about the modern world is that it lacks creativity, and creativity is the human spark. It's the energy that makes you different from the chair you're sitting in, and that is is bursting out everywhere, and I love it.
Well, they I saw an article the other day. Did you see about how oh, with TikTok. Right? With social media, with trying to own the companies. Right?
Did you see that video with YatinYahoo for the TikTok ownership? This is wild, bro. This is
a fun. You can't fight today with the swords. That doesn't work very well. But we have to fight with the weapons that apply to the battlefields in which we're engaged, and the most important ones are on social media. And the most important purchase that is going on right now is class Buy followers. Somebody
Buy followers.
Somebody said buy followers. How hilarious is that, dude? That's the best. TikTok.
TikTok. Number one. Number one. And I hope it goes through because it's
it
can be consequential.
Imagine saying that. Like, what is that? Why did he say that, do you think? Why did he just confirm every crazed anti Semitic conspiracy online? Jews control everything.
And there's literally the prime minister of Israel being like, yes. We control everything. Why would he say something? Oh, first of all, he, like Barry Weiss, is kinda stupid, clever, ruthless, but stupid, not creative at all. There's that.
But there's a deeper reason because he's trying to inspire hatred. He's trying to inspire hatred.
Yes. We control everything.
And I'm not falling for it. I'm not gonna be a hater. I don't care what they do.
Well, I mean, you're we're being a hater in the sense where, like, if you hate against him. But I guess if you're saying it's evil, then, yeah, hating evil isn't wrong. Right? But here's what I'm wondering. It's like, if you teach me, like, growing up, like, about the Holocaust, you teach me about Nazis.
You teach me about evil. And then I I take what I've learned. Right? And I apply it to the world.
Yeah.
And I see it. I see it point blank. I see it, in Gaza. I see it in The Middle East. I see it in Palestine.
And it's the first one where you see these things happening. Like, it's almost like, well, if I had seen slavery on my phone, I'd be like, this is fucked up. If I had see you know, it's like, it's the first thing you see.
And Did you see that chick who was at some conference recently? I think she was, like, Carmela Harris's speechwriter, former speechwriter, and she's like, you know, we made a huge mistake, like, talking too much about the Holocaust because now people are comparing what's happening in Gaza to the Holocaust.
But it's like, don't come in and gaslight me to think now I'm wrong for seeing this, and then and then imagine Shit.
We never should have mentioned the Nazis because we set absolute standards of behavior that we're now failing to meet, and we're being blamed. It's like, are you
And then now when this guy says they wanna buy TikTok so that the influence is different, like, it's just like, how I don't understand. But to say Why are we the only people that feel, or why aren't more people activated about this? It's like watching
No. Keep it. Can I just make you feel better?
Watching something horrible happen, and we can't even ask our own country for help. That's the crazy part. I can't believe that half of our representatives aren't speaking up and saying something like, hey. We're gonna shut this down. This is wrong.
We're not gonna let because wasn't he condemned by the ICC for Yeah. They don't care. He was a condemned war criminal. Right? Is that right?
Yeah. I guess. Yeah. And and I just don't understand how regular people, comedians, and, you know, a a guy who loves Johnston and Murphy from Maine are the ones who are fucking having to speak up about that. Like, what is going on?
Well, that's the beauty that I'm talking about. That's the new world being
And sorry if don't love Johnston and Murphy.
I don't these are, like, my Turkish grounding shoes with the powder. Nice. They're so ugly, but I got these from someone else in the nicotine business who's like, dude, these will ground you to the earth's essential forces. Really? I don't know what that means, of course.
I have no idea. But I I am originally from California in the seventies, so I kinda fall for shit like that.
Like Look like you could smoke in them for sure, dude.
I've I've
yeah. I'll say this.
Cigarettes and those in my life?
Every time I see a Johnson Murphy, I'll peek my head and I say, hey, Tucky. I say that.
I don't really know what it is.
Just like a it's like a shop. It's like a Brooks Brooks Brothers kinda.
Oh. Yeah. No. I buy my clothes on eBay, Always.
But, anyway, sorry. It wasn't it wasn't a negative.
No. No. But here's the point, though.
It wasn't a negative thing.
This is the beautiful thing. Is it, like Negative? No. Why? I never get the reference.
I'm so fucking out of it. But we're like in this moment where the old is going away and the new is on its way, and some of it is menacing and scary and hard to understand like AI or crypto. Okay? Could be good. Could be bad.
Could be both. But it's big. But some of it is just totally recognizable. It's called the human spirit, and it's irrepressible. You can't actually extinguish it no matter how many people you kill.
And no matter how many lies you tell, it will always sort of bubble up around you, and it's bubbling up now in a big way. And and I would just last thing I wanna say, like, if you really are were if you feel like, oh, there's this international conspiracy of people to oppress humanity and to kill humanity, that's obviously true. Degrade us, enslave us, obviously true. Like, not even a guess that's happening. But who's behind it?
Go and read some of the Epstein emails that have been released. Thousands have been released and ask yourself, like, as a human, what's the first thing I noticed? Jeffrey Epstein was a fucking idiot. He could barely speak English. He was from Coney Island, and he was like an idiot.
Was like an idiot. He writes like a moron. Okay? We're being oppressed by dumb people. We imagine they're geniuses because they're evil, but we miss the obvious signs that these people are stupid.
They are stupid. They are not as impressive as, like, the normal people in my world. Jeffrey Epstein was an idiot. So we have this, like, picture of,
like, the diabolical genius pulling the strings. I'm moving this population here and this pop yeah. Give him the COVID vaccine.
But, really, you've got, like, just thugs. They're just like nightclub bouncers who have billions of dollars, and they're idiots. They're head injury patients.
Bill Ackman? Like, he's a fucking idiot. Jeff Epstein? It's true.
Barry Weiss? Like, I'm not too worried about Barry Weiss taking over over the world. I don't care how many billionaires hand her news organizations because she's obedient to their preferred country. She's still an idiot. Sorry.
Yeah. I've heard Tim Dillon talk about her, but I'm not that familiar with her. He knew her very well,
I think. He did? But so I think Tim and I he can speak for himself. But as I remember the story, like, was in her orbit. And, you know, I know all the people, of course, in her orbit.
And some of them I like, I've never disliked Barry Weiss personally. She's she's very charming, I will say, and very energetic, which I love in anybody. But he was, like, buddies with her, and they're going to parties. And then, like well, he can explain it better than I could, but my understanding is he he's like, one day, he's like, killed a lot of kids in Gaza, I think. And I think within, like, ten minutes, she was, like, on the phone with his agent.
Gotta fire Tim Dillon. Okay. So I guess our friendship wasn't built on the foundation. I assumed it was.
It's like
and dumb people are very much like that. They have, like, one interest. They're what we call single issue voters. Like, there's no nuance at all. I remember her do you remember when she attacked Tulsi Gabbard, who's a beautiful soul?
Just a
good Tulsi's very nice. She sent me a couple of nice messages over
the years. A great person. She's an honest person.
Do you
remember when he attacked her on Rogan? And Rogan in his
Oh, yeah. Rogan stood up for her.
In his wonderful way. He's like, I'm not sure. What do you mean by that? You know? And his Rogan like not attacking back, but just, like, explain yourself a little more.
And Barry Weiss was like it was like you caught her on the john or something. She was like, oh. Yeah. Have to explain the, casual slander I threw at her? She had no fucking idea what she was talking about.
Oh, it was the word toady. She didn't know what toady meant. She's a toady for Assad. And it's like, oh, there it is. Oh, my memory is still in place, and she couldn't define Todi.
According to multiple accounts from listeners and subsequent commentary, Weiss struggled to define Todi in that specific context and failed to effectively back up her assertion with specific facts, being flustered during the exchange. The moment was wildly circulating clips online and frequently brought up by critics of Weiss as an example of a journalist using substantiated labels or neocon talking No.
It's an example of someone who got a three fifty on the English SAT. Okay? This is a dumb person.
We don't know that. Okay.
But somehow got a job at the New York Times. You don't know what Todi is? She's in the word business, baby. You know?
Well, I just don't understand how like, why isn't there like, you used to believe that everybody that was elected was campaigning for America first. Right? Like, first was the was the thing. That's
our system. Right?
But that's that's not what's going on.
Well, it's, of course, just the opposite. I mean, look at the country. So the country's dying not because the people are bad because of bad leadership. Yeah. Leadership is every I used to, you know, you get brainwashed growing up here and you're like, no.
What really matters is how most people feel. No. What really matters is the willingness of your leaders to actually die for you as you would for your children. Like, it's that simple. If they love you, they will your country will prosper.
If they hate you, it will fail. It's super simple. They don't like us. Okay. Got it.
Got it.
And what do you think that we could do differently? I know that John Rich on your show that one thing that was interesting, he said that he felt like a lot of Americans have just kinda coward and watched this kind of happen.
You know? Don't be a bitch. Yeah.
He was pretty adamant about
it. Don't
ever be
a bitch. Yeah.
That's right. He was speaking mostly about Christians, but also about Americans.
Yeah.
That they've just kinda coward and sort of let this, like, let evil policies, evil things come in and not stood up for their own voices or stood up against their own fears. Do you think that that's true?
Oh gosh. It's the truest thing. I participate in it. There are plenty of things I'm just like, I don't wanna deal with that. Oh, yeah.
Or I might
Oh, yeah. What am I asking if it's true, dude?
Take a loss.
Yeah. I mean I do too.
It's not I hate to point one of your as I said a minute ago, one of your tics, verbal tics that I just I wanna emulate and I wanna be like this is you preface every attack or assessment of someone else with a self critique. You're like, I've done a lot of shitty things, but I think that person's doing a shitty thing. Like, that's a really good habit to get into just because righteousness is good, self righteousness is evil, and there's a big difference.
Well, ego is very scary. That's a thing.
So scary. It's the scariest thing.
It's the scariest thing.
That's what kills you if you're a man anyway, for sure.
The ego is very scary. But, yeah, I have there been like yeah. Where is the leadership supposed to come from now? Like, if we can't believe that our politicians are gonna guide us. Right?
Well, the system is obviously changing. You know? Just like the media. Okay? I went into this in 1991.
I could write 10 books on how different it is. Everything about it, not just my perceptions of it, but the systems itself are totally different. And so systems evolve, and we're clearly at the end of something and the beginning of something else. I can't know with any precision what we're moving into, but clearly it's not going to be like what we had. Like, we know that.
Because this system doesn't work, it doesn't produce anything worth having, It's obviously dishonest in a transparent way. A lie doesn't infuriate you unless you know it's a lie. Now we know it's a lie. So by definition, we can't keep doing this. And Barry Weiss can be like anyone who disagrees with Netanyahu is now imprisoned, and you can do that.
I'm sure she would love to do that. It's But still not gonna work because you're gonna have prisons full of people who still disagree with Barry Weiss. Like, you can't change people's minds by force. It has never worked and it never will. So our system is reaching the end of something.
I hope it's not I love our system. I hope it's not destroyed. But clearly it's gonna change. It has to. It will.
It feels like it's gonna happen fast though,
doesn't It's gonna happen fast. And I just hope it's not too destructive. I don't want chaos, man. I've seen that in foreign countries, and it's scary. There's nothing scarier than that.
Happened in your state. It happened during I saw it during Katrina. Yeah. I was like, I can't believe this is happening. You know, just for a day or two where there's no cops, and there are kids running around with guns and like shooting was right next to a guy who got shot to death.
Like, what?
Yeah. And get people listening to young boy just popping off to do an who knows what.
That's what chaos looks like. It's so bad, man. Yeah. I don't want that at all.
And there'll be a lot yeah. There's a lot of guns in this state too. So people and there's a lot of guns in every state.
But Especially in my house. But yeah. But I'm not the only one.
Yeah. Yeah.
And I know, you know, I don't think in the end.
Oh, I think how it all ends is blacks versus drones. That's how I think it ends. And I've said this before, and I believe that. So can
you game it out for me a little bit? How how does that play out?
Because, like, you know, the news over time and everything, it makes white peep you know, white people look bad, white people are the devil, blah blah blah. Yeah.
We hate the whites.
Yeah. Whities. You know? During, like, the Trump campaign, they were, like, every southern person or Midwestern person was the only, you know, piece of shit. You know?
Just all that. The white people started ending up on a lot of pills and stuff like that and just confused about their own value and stuff like that. And that's been unfortunate, because there's a lot of great people. But
It's actually one of the greatest crimes ever in this country.
It's unbelievable. It is unbelievable. But black folks, I think, are still, like, fit they're still, like, you know, they've kind of gone through this you know, they've they've had such a origin story in America. Right? Enslaved.
And then, like, their origin story is the best to to be the victor in the end. Right? I feel like their origin story makes the best arc character arc to be like the hero at the end. So I think it ends up them versus drones versus, like, the drones owned by evil folks. And I think that's how it ends.
You know?
Who wins?
I think you gotta go. I think I would go with black folks.
I would go with any people over the drones.
Yes. But but I think it's gonna be black folks help us win it, and they're gonna defeat the drones. How many will it be best of seven? I don't know. We'll see.
And will there be advertising? Will it be brought to you by PrizePicks? I have no idea, bro. That doesn't matter. But I'm just saying, bro, you're gonna it's gonna be that's where I think that's how it ends.
Well, I one of the reasons that, you know, all those years they called me no one ever calls me a racist anymore, but they used to for years when I was at Fox. Racist. Racist. Racist. And so I really thought a lot about, am I racist?
And now I'm annoyed by certain
things for sure, but I'm not a racist at all. And not just because I think it's immoral to be racist. I'm not a racist because black people what do we think black people are like the most American been here? I'm talking about African Americans. Hundreds and hundreds of years.
Like, if you believe in the country, if you really feel like you're part of it, your ancestors are buried here, you're gonna die here, which is how I feel. It's like, you're in it with black people because they've been here since day one. You know what I mean? There's like a it's an American I feel that, actually.
Yeah. I'm not I I think it's I don't know how, like, I don't mean, definitely, it's a it's a wild group, black folks, but I think they love to, get in. They love to, like they love competition. So I could definitely see them, getting into it with drones, dude. And that's how we Well,
I'm rooting for them. Oh, yeah. I'm rooting for blacks against drones
for sure. Hell, yeah. Yes. That's the kind of shit I'm talking about. And also Do
you think that the I mean, it's it's tough, though, to fight drones. Black people can figure it out. You think so?
I think if they once they really apply themselves to a sport, they start to crack the codes pretty quick. You know? You put the hit stick on a drone, dude. I think they'll figure it out, dude.
I hope so.
It's gonna be exciting, dude. That shit's gonna be one of the best things ever. And it'll be we'll be able to some people will be able to watch it. You'll be able to watch some of it on your phone. Really?
Yeah, dude. Blacks versus drones
for sure, dude. Have you checked with black people about this at all?
Bro, they're down, bro. They're real. Black people are down in a heartbeat.
Black people, it's Theo. You guys ready for blacks versus drones?
Dude, black people love to play games, bro. They love to have a good time. So I think if you and if drones are just shooting people out in the streets and stuff, like, if one of these companies like Palantir, like, were using in Gaza comes and starts popping off here, which now has a like, is it Palantir they're able to they're gonna do our data now, aren't they? Aren't they aren't they gonna I don't know. Oversee us?
I don't know.
I I see a lot of a lot of people referring to that, but I'm just gonna have to plead ignorance on this.
And this is allegedly, but there's articles that allege that that they have weapons attached attached to drones and that they're able to figure that out. Palantir Technologies holds multiple major contracts with the US government, particularly with the Department of Defense, highlighted by a recent US Army enterprise agreement valued up to 10,000,000,000 over ten years. Let me see. Consolidating 75 prior contracts into one for software and data services to boost military readiness.
Now just keep it that looks like it's from Wikipedia, which is obviously controlled by CIA.
This is Perplexity right here.
What's that?
Perplexity is a company that advertises with us. It's an AI.
Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, good. It doesn't scold you ever?
Not yet. But some of that stuff's getting pretty wild. Did you see that they were just paying chat GPT? Israel just paying chat GPT to adjust their sentiment towards them.
Is that true? That's unbelievable.
Don't know if it's true or not. I wanna find out in a second if we can get this article here.
The problem is gonna be YouTube. Oh. Does YouTube stay open or not? I think. I mean, that's the vector.
Candace Owens is like the most famous person in the world because of YouTube. Yeah. YouTube is the backbone of all of the stuff. And if there is some God hope it doesn't happen, but if there's some act of violence in The United States that can be used as a pretext in the same way that January 6 was used as a pretext to shut down all these people, they'll kick people off. My fear is that there will be a crackdown on YouTube, and at that point, that would be a true disaster for the country.
If they kick people off of YouTube? I think. Oh, I agree.
If there's an act of violence, whether it's organic or not, because some of them are not organic, sorry, that's a fact, a proven fact. But whatever the cause of it, if there's an act of violence against innocence and it's described as a hate crime, that it's not crazy to imagine, and that could be used to tie people whose opinions are unpopular with certain groups. Those people need to be off YouTube. And all of a sudden, there's an emergency meeting with Sundar Pashai at Google, it's like, I'm sorry. You cannot have purveyors of hate like Candace Owens and me or you.
You can't have them. They're these people died because these podcasters said hateful things. You have to take them off. But we're not saying hateful things,
are we?
Obviously, I'm totally opposed to hate. I mean, that's like my whole life is against it. When you hate, even in your heart, even silently, you make evil stronger. That's a fact. Well, the It's a physics principle, dude.
The only reason I bring up this stuff about Israel is because they're doing a genocide. Like Couldn't agree more. Saw if I was in Nazi Germany and I saw bad things happening and I didn't raise my hand or if Nazi Germany was trying to buy a bakery next door to me and I didn't be like, hey. Mustache guy is buying the bakery. You know?
It's like, who would I be? Right? Like, I don't understand what you want me to do. Like, you can't
Get out of my face, and I'll stop thinking about you.
I said that. Train me to think one way and then show me this, a replica of it and not expect me to have the same sentiments toward it. Like, that's what I understand. That that And to call someone a bad guy because of that is crazy to me. This article says, the government of Israel has hired a new conservative aligned firm, Clock Tower X LLC, to create media for general Gen Z audiences in a contract worth 6,000,000.
At least 80% of content Clock Tower produces will be tailored to Gen Z audiences across platforms. Clock Tower. Clock Tower integrates pro Israel messaging in the Salem Media Network Properties, a conservative Christian media group that boasts a vast radio network and produces high profile shows such as Hugh Hewitt show, Larry Elder show, and the right view with Laura Trump. So Oh, oh, look at that. Former Trump manager Brad Parscale.
Oh,
disgusting. That is so Brad Parscale is doing that. That is just
I don't know him. Is he
a nice guy? I know him. He's a he's a sad guy. Very sad guy.
In his contract, Clock Tower does not reveal much about what kinds of messaging will be promoted on behalf of Israel.
He took money for wait. Brad Perscale took money from the Israeli government to do that?
I don't know. Former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale, the adviser who hired the controversial micro targeting firm Cambridge Analytic during Trump's 2016 campaign is at the center of the Israeli government's new deal.
So Brad Parscale, I don't think is an evil person. He's a weak man for sure. I mean, demonstrably. But for an American citizen to take money from a foreign government to secretly propagandize on behalf of that government without saying it is really speaking of unpatriotic. I mean, that's just I hope that's
not true. Well, it just it's like at this point, it's and I guess, mean, Israel's certainly allowed to advertise wherever they want. Anybody can do this sort of thing.
This isn't advertising. This is so advertising is not threatening because when it's just straightforward. You see a billboard for jeans, and it's like, buy my jeans. Okay. It's your choice.
This is basically subliminal messaging. This is an effort to subvert what you think is true by making it dishonest. I'm paying you to lie on my behalf. That's what this is. And you don't disclose that you're taking money to do that.
And everything about this is dishonest and wrong, and any American who would take money for that you know, again, speaking of anti American, really, who's the audience for this? It's American citizens who think they're, like, tuning in for conservative analysis, and, actually, they're getting the the point of view of a foreign government. Like, how is that okay,
Brad Parskel? I don't know how we I I just don't understand. I think, yeah, I think it's just, I don't know. It's a tough time because you realize, oh, you thought all these things were in place that were keeping our country. You thought our country was taking care of us.
But Would you take money
from a foreign would you take if, let's take Israel out it.
Maybe it's that's not true. That's a naive old thought of mine. It's like, yeah, you realize now that that's not the case. You know? But I think it's like, where do we go from here?
Well, let me just I mean, I I don't wanna be judgy because I've done all kinds of bad things.
You've been judgmental already.
I have been. Yeah. That's one of my weaknesses. Self righteousness is the trap, and I fall into it for sure. But let me just ask you, if again, take Israel out of it because it's so emotional.
Any country. Well, let's go with Qatar. You said you like Qatar. I really like Qatar. A lot.
And I could defend Qatar. But would you take money if Qatar is like, okay, we'll pay you $10,000,000 or 6,000,000, which I think is what Brad Parscale got supposedly, we want you to just subtly shift your message to be pro Qatar. Don't tell anybody you're taking this money, but just feed our line to your audience without telling them that you're doing it. Would you accept that money?
No. I wouldn't do it. Of course not. Of course not.
Of course, you would never do that.
No. I wouldn't do something. I wouldn't let people pay to have a person on this podcast. I wouldn't let somebody. I wouldn't do that.
Of course. Do you feel like the people must be trying to because the podcast is really big.
Yeah. Sometimes they do or somebody's like, hey. We Qatar asked if we would do one from their country, right, during a UFC fight. Right? And I thought about that, and we're trying to figure that But I didn't feel like it was the best kind of setting sort of.
And now would I go back over there some time and spend some time? Sure I would. Had a great time. Met some really neat guys. Because a lot of the guys over there, they're in the throbes and stuff.
Thobe. They're in the throbes. Pretty awesome. Dude, they're nice because you can have no underpants on.
I don't think any of them do. I think they're like kilts.
I like that.
Yeah. Yeah. Uh-huh. It's full freestyle country.
Oh, god. Yeah. Talking to somebody and just feeling your nuts bang against your legs while you're staying
in there? Has no idea.
That's crazy. Idea. Agree. Bro, that's like that guy, like, the hunchback of Notre Dame kinda. You know?
Oh, did he go freestyle too?
No. But just him I just imagine, like, a handicapped guy inside of my legs ringing my nuts with, like, a rope or whatever. You know, like a bell. You know?
Really? So you you picture, like, a little gremlin under there.
Yeah. It'd just be fun.
Like, pulling the dong cords.
Oh, dude. If your nuts had real bells inside of them, that shit would be sick.
The pain. The force of that ringer hitting the sides of the cast iron is a lot. I wouldn't want that anywhere near.
That's true. I bet if your nuts weighed even two more ounces, it would strain you so much. Dude, yes. I bet your nuts have the perfect weight to them.
I I think that's the whole theory of evolution, isn't it? We evolved to have, like, perfectly weighted nuts. And our ancestors who had, I don't know, disproportionately weighted nuts Oh, yeah. They didn't reproduce,
so their genes died. Average human testicles each weigh about 15 to 25 grams. Wow. That's a
So how would you compare that? It's just like about an eight
ball. That's a couple eight ball.
A couple eight balls.
How many grams were in an eight ball? I think it's eight. Right?
Oh, seven and a half, I think. Yeah.
Yeah. It depends on where you if you're getting in Baltimore, it's probably six in there.
Yeah. I think that's right. Those are the baby laxative.
Oh, 3.5. Oh gosh. It's been
too long. So that's how rehabbed you are, dude.
Thank
you. I love that.
Did you hear that? Did you hear his genuine ignorance about narcotics?
Damn. You are better. I'm losing streak credit, though, dude. I can't even fucking dude, I'm I'm just You
forgot how to freebase at this point. Is it baking soda
or cleaning fluid? I can't remember.
I've been selling really good eight balls, man. Oh, dude. What else is I gonna ask you about? Yeah. But it's so somebody's like, what do you why do you care about it?
Because I just think that it's like, yeah, you can't allow a country. I don't know.
I'm just I don't care. Almost can't complain about it now. I'm I'm so beyond sick of talking about it.
And I'm sorry. I'm sorry that I'm No.
No. Not with you, but I actually called the Israeli government more than once, and I was like, okay. I got it. Just stop. You're gonna get me killed.
Just stop taking money from my country. Let's I won't even criticize your genocide. Like, because there are lots of bad things going on in the world. That's true. That is true.
They're not the only ones. Okay? That is absolutely right when they say that. They're not the only country committing atrocities.
Oh, no. Our own country's committing atrocities. I totally agree. I think it's all coming out in the snow right now, but it's just it's crazy.
Like we just don't send any more money for those like, I don't think that's
too much to ask.
If you would stop it, if you get out of the Oval Office, no more visits from your prime minister. This is insane. There are so many countries in the world that actually matter. Your country doesn't matter. It's the size of Maryland.
You have no natural resources at all. Like, you are irrelevant except to the extent we promise to defend you. So about you just go do your own thing? We wish you well, and I will never think about you again.
Why do you think that doesn't happen?
Because they can't exist without us. And so rather than just say that, we get these lectures like, oh, America can't exist without Israel. It's like, why are you even talking to me? Like, first of all, at some point, I'm offended. Stop lecturing me, actually.
I'm from here. I'm not a perfect person, but I really care about this place because I have nowhere else to go, and my ancestors are here. And, like, stop. But they won't stop, and they're constantly calling you names because they're committing bad behavior. It's like, I spent thirty years not talking about this.
You think I didn't notice? You think I didn't know what was up? I'm from Washington. I know what's up. Yeah.
And I decided I wanna talk about this because there are all kinds of other things I wanna talk about. I don't wanna fight these people. I'm not against Israel at all. I like visiting there. It's great.
I don't wanna fight. It was only when their Trump gets elected in November, and by January, they're in the Oval Office, foreign officials from Israel in the Oval Office demanding that we pay for a regime change war against Iran. And I'm like Yeah. Come on now. Come on now.
We just had this election. I campaigned for Trump. I was literally at Madison Square Garden, and it was heartfelt too. I didn't do it. No one paid me to do it.
I did it because I meant it. And I love Trump personally. I still love Trump personally, but it was like, that whole election was about we've had enough of this. The Iraq war didn't work. It didn't make us happier.
It it really hurt everybody, including us, especially us. Mhmm. I don't want it again. Just back off. They didn't wait to he got he got inaugurated on the January 20.
I was there. I was in the room. And, like, days later, they're there demanding that we back them in a regime change war. And I knew this because because I've been around, and I talked to all the people. I'm like, I can't believe this is happening.
And then in June, they we came really close to getting in, like, a full blown war with Iran.
Yeah. I remember that.
We spent billions in this totally pointless exercise. They're continuing to try and make us do this. So it's from my perspective, it's like, I'm not obsessed with Israel. You just back off, and I'll never mention you again. I don't wanna think about you at all because you you're meaningless, actually.
Yeah. You're a tiny country that has no strategic value at all. So just as long as you stop trying to control my government, I'll leave you alone.
Well, sometimes it starts to seem like it's a video game, and they've always controlled everything. And that Right. And then, like, that's and, like, we're just now realizing it's like I've said this couple times, but it's almost like
That's true.
Like, if Super Mario almost, like, looked at the screen one day and, like, looked at you playing with him instead of just, like, followed your demands on the screen. Like, if one day he just, like, fucking set down his fireballs and, like, looked over at you and was like, hey. What the fuck are we doing here? You know? It's almost like that's where
it Just like broken fourth wall. Yes. Basically. No. I I mean, that's
Like, if he's just like, oh, I'm so tired of fighting this dragon. You know? It's like, look. Let's just let Bowser live. Let's just chill out.
You know? Like, I just wonder
If it became real. Yes. Yeah. Well, that's the that's exactly the process.
That's where we are right now. And I think that's what you're saying. It's like, yeah. Let if you if you can just let go of, like, this that because it's sometimes it's anger that fuels that. You know?
Sometimes it's fear. Some of it's like yeah. A lot of it's fear, I think. Uncertainty, safety. But if you can get the anger out of it and just let it go and be like, I'm just gonna do my best that I can, but I'm gonna be brave and speak up when I can, even if I'm wrong.
You know? That's the thing. It's like, I wish more people were speaking up sometimes even if they're wrong. I was kind of like, do you think that enough, like, pastors and preachers didn't speak up during the Gaza conflict? That almost blew my mind.
Does that make sense to you?
It's the most heartbreaking part. I mean, from my as an American Christian, Protestant American Christian, it's like, yeah. Of course. I I think what Israel's doing is disgusting. I mean, it's it's indefensible.
But my real, like, rage like, what I'm actually upset about if you were at dinner at my house, I never talk about the I never rage about the Israelis or the Jews at my house. I just don't feel it. My rage, my actual personal rage is directed toward my people. It's Protestant Christian evangelical pastors who have made deals with the Israeli government or have theology so deranged that they think their Christian faith requires them to support the murder of children, including Christian children. And I know some of them, and they believe that.
And that to me is very hard to forgive. Like, I need to be a better person. I need to keep them in my prayers because I really feel hostility toward those people because they're the betrayers. Israel in the end is acting in its own interest or what it thinks is its own interest. Those people, what's their excuse?
And they're going out there and giving sermons about Candace Owens on Sunday? She's not in the New Testament. Okay? Really doing that? Big time.
And that is not whatever you think of Candace Owens. Like, I love Candace Owens, but maybe you hate Candace Owens. We can all agree that your opinion on Candace Owens has no bearing on the future of your soul. Okay? That's not Christianity.
It's nothing with Candace Owens. So, if you are giving sermons against Candace Owens, then you are betraying your people. Okay? And because you're misrepresenting your faith, Christianity. And those people, I I clearly need to calm down about them because they're truly the villains in the story.
That's my opinion. Of course, because you're always mad at the people you know best and, like, Israel, whatever. Go do your crazy Israeli things. But American evangelical leaders defending Netanyahu? And you know how many Christians have been killed in this that Israel has murdered?
What do Christians have to do with it? Are you telling me they're Islamists too now? Oh, it's totally true.
And one
of the reasons they hate me is because I keep pointing it out.
That's true, Tucker.
Because they blown up two churches in Gaza and killed people in the churches. What do the churches have to do with this? You're telling me that this is some existential battle between Islam and civilization. That's not true, by the way. But let's say it was true, then why are you blowing up churches?
Oh, it was an accident. Oh, really? You have the technology to put bombs in people's pagers, but you accidentally blew up two churches? It was not an accident. They did it on purpose.
They've killed a lot of Christians on purpose. And I'm probably the only person in American media to point that out because I'm a Christian, so I get to say that if I want. Shut up, Nazi.
Okay. Why aren't there more like Where are the
Christian leaders in this? Yeah. So now you've pissed me off. Like, this I'm sorry, man. I don't know.
Whenever we're talking about antisemitism or the Nazis or Israel or whatever, it's like it's it's so fake to me that I'm not I don't get upset. This is real to me.
Oh, the church of Saint Porphyrios. Saint Porphyrios.
Yeah. It's a famous church.
The Greek Orthodox Church, one of the oldest in the world, was hit by an Israeli airstrike on 10/19/2023. The strike collapsed in adjacent church affiliated building where around four to 500 people displaced were sheltering, killing eighteen people. The Holy Family Church is the only Catholic church in Gaza Strip. This church has been a central shelter for Gaza's Christian community. December 2023, two women were reportedly killed by a sniper while leaving the church.
In July 2025, the church was struck by an Israeli tank fire killing, injuring 10, including the parish priest father Gabriel Romanelli. Why hasn't the pope spoken up about it either, I wonder? Has he spoken about it? What did the pope
say about? I don't keep track. I'm not Catholic.
So was going to church here in town, and I was just shocked that people weren't speaking about it. Like and that's moments where you start
to feel like, am I crazy? No. The evangelical world, and not all, this is a very broad brush. I know a million I had dinner next to one last night. He was just a wonderful person.
And there are lots of tons of great evangelicals, but their leadership in general has not only refused to condemn it, they've defended it. And at that point, it's like, this is the great deception you read about in the New Testament. If if this isn't a great deception Jesus' message is not to kill children. Okay? And if you're telling me that it is, I don't need a theology degree to say you are a false prophet, and you're gonna have to pay for what I mean, you are, like, taking your soul into your own hands when you say shit like that.
That is so the opposite of the message. This is not a religion of conquest and violence. It's the opposite, period. How can you read it and tell me otherwise? But why Oh, well, in Esther, it said okay.
But why are they or or why are they doing that? Do they but but because this Israel is not the Israel from the Bible. Right? This is the this is a
I've tried to have this conversation. Okay. Sorry. If it is, tell me how. Yeah.
It doesn't feel like talking about? And I'm not a theologian. I'm a freaking Episcopalian. Like, I admit I know nothing, but I do read the Bible every day, so I just don't see what you're talking about. So you tell me what you're talking about.
This is the Israel we read about. This is the inheritance of Abraham.
No way. How? How? Is it
genetically the same? Is it are the people who live there now related to the people we read about in the Old Testament? If they are, we have DNA tests. Tell me how that works. Oh, those are banned.
Okay. So then are you telling me it's the same religion? How is it the same religion? Yeah. There's no temple.
Like, what are you even talking about? By the way, maybe there's a good answer that I just don't know I don't understand, but they literally never even try to answer the question. It's shut up Nazi, including from Christian ministers calling me a Nazi because I asked, oh, big time. And again, not to make it about me, but I'm just wanna be honest about it. That upsets me.
Whereas, you know, Netanyahu also called me a Nazi. It's like, you're just some dumb politician.
He called you a Nazi directly? Absolutely. That's crazy. Of
course. Yeah. My tax dollars are paying his want
watch podcasts.
Oh, he's oh, he's yeah. I can't even tell you. But yes. Of course. But it's Christian pastors.
When you ask a simple question, you're telling me we have a duty to support, quote, Israel because a verse in Genesis tells you that. Okay. Fine. That's totally fine. What does that mean?
What is the Israel you're talking about? Shut up, Nazi. It's like, you're a Christian pastor, and I'm a Christian I'm a faithful, imperfect Christian. Are there specific pastors?
Doctor Mike Evans, Heritage Center? No. No. Listen. Right now, we have
a movement within the MAGA movement that is anti Israel. It's serious because it's led by Tucker Carlson, who's very close to vice president. It's coming out and saying worse things presently the Nazi party said. I'm saying worse things that the Nazi party said? I'm totally anti Nazi.
I'm totally anti hate. And above all, I'm anti blood guilt and collective punishment, which is what was bad about the Nazis. Let's remember. And this guy is a Christian minister or supposedly or something. So it's this kind of thing that actually does get under my skin.
That's my problem. I I should just shrug it off, but I have a lot of trouble shrugging it off because it's such a distortion of my religious faith that I I I have trouble letting it go. I'm just being honest.
Well, I think it's brave to be able to speak up even sometimes if you're right or wrong, it's brave to try.
It's our obligation to try. I was quiet for thirty years. I shouldn't have been. I shouldn't have been. I didn't wanna fight, but I shouldn't have been.
And people say, well, you get information wrong. It's like, but if if if information is given out that's wrong, then how do you expect someone to know accurate information?
Dude, I'm telling you it's really simple because this is the business I've always been in. I ask questions.
Hold on. You have stuff right here in
your mouth. Nicotine. And I wanted to say how good it is. It's an opportunity. It's a form of advertisement.
Like, I I let it hang out of my my wife's not here to lick her thumb, which she does, which is kinda hot. But you say you've got stuff on your face, then I get to pause and say, it's not just stuff, Theo Von. It's nicotine. It's Alp,
the pouch for your mouth. Yeah. You got a little mogul right there.
Yeah. But you don't see it back there.
Yeah. Right. If I was
using Zin, you'd be like, wait. Your lower back is covered with this weird white shit. Why is that?
I don't know. I've definitely done some things, but I'll say this. Pope Leo the fourteenth has reiterated the Vatican's insistence on a two state resolution for the Israeli Palestinian conflict, saying it's the only solution that can guarantee justice for both sides. Leo made the confident con conflict comments as he flew from Turkey to Lebanon.
May I ask, there's been a change in the spelling of Turkey. It went from Turkey to Turkiyah. Turkiyah. This is like the Kyiv Kyiv change, and no one notified me.
They probably bought letter somebody there might have been a letter deal or something. Let me see. Turkiyah? Turkey. Maybe they're trying who knows, man?
Turkey. And I and and like I was just
in Turkey and they were calling it Turkey.
And do you feel like it's hard for a lot of Jewish people to speak up about this because they're afraid of, like, alienating other Jewish friends? That's what I found with some of my Jewish friends. Like, they'll talk with me about it and stuff like that, but and my Jewish friends are fine if I'm if I have different views on Israel. Right? Like, it doesn't mean I have different views about them.
But if I don't like what a government's doing, including our own government, then that's okay. Right?
One of my Jewish friends, former Jewish employee, actually called me this morning. Talked to him for, like, an hour and a half about other stuff, not about Israel. But in the course of the conversation, he told me that he had said something to one of his coworkers about Netanyahu. He didn't like Netanyahu. Whatever.
That's literally he's he's Jewish. I don't like Netanyahu. And that coworker went to his boss and called him an anti Semite. What? That's crazy.
I think there's that. I also think there's something else going on which is sad, which is I think a lot of what I'm seeing happen to Jewish people, including friends of mine, people I know, is there's so much yelling about the Nazis and the Holocaust that people are getting really freaked out. And I've had people I have known for decades and love call me like, are you a Nazi? Dude, it's me. No.
I'm totally anti Nazi. What are you even talking about? Well, everyone says you're a Nazi. This happened to me at dinner recently. I won't even tell you.
A well known person.
If were a Nazi, you would have a tank or something.
No. But also, like You would
not be in loafers.
Post. Well, I might be wearing my Turkish grounding shoes.
You're Turkish?
With the with and by the way, they leave a little green spot on the bottom of your foot. Oh, I get on. That that means you're winning. That means you're grounded to the earth. But, no, I think it's making people really paranoid and afraid, and I think that that's on purpose.
And terrified people are really easy to control. That's what happened to us after nine eleven. The Muslims are coming. 19 Arabs with box cutters. My favorite friend.
I'm gonna say that. I said to one of my kids last night at dinner, I was like, I'm making a pledge to you as your father that I'm gonna use the phrase Arabs with box cutters every single day, and I'm gonna laugh every time I say it because it amuses the shit out of me. Hell yeah. Like, you're a conversation, someone's gonna be like, like, Arabs with box cutters.
Fucking funny.
Anyway, all of us believe the Arabs with box cutters thing for all those years, and it made us so freaked out and afraid and threatened that we went along with all the stuff that was really bad for us and the world. And I think that a similar op actually is underway in The United States with Jewish people, and it's like, you're about to get killed. It's like, no.
I mean, may I think there
are antisemites in America for sure, and there are crazy people for sure. There are always threats, but in general, I've never met anyone who, like, hates all Jews or what that's all fake. But it's scaring the shit out of people. Like, it's real. Yeah.
My I've, again, I have friends, good friends who are like, I can't believe you're a Nazi now. You know? That's crazy, dude. I know it's sad, actually. It's awful.
Well, I think anytime you find somebody and I thought this in my own world. It's like, if you start thinking like, oh, this race or this ethnicity or this group should be the one Yes. Then that is a trap. That is a dangerous that is a evil thought
or feeling. There. That is
that is the truth. Evil thought or feeling because it's just it's not possible. It's not real. So you have to recognize that that kind of thought is just a trap that it's very that that's just a scary
trap. Agree. And that is the trap they're luring you into. When they call you names, they're trying to make you into the hater they claim you are. And once you become that, you're destroyed.
Yeah. And obsessing over, like, other races being bad, like, that's how you become a fucking crazy person.
Well, that's the kind of stuff that the news has done over years. So when you start to think about all the infighting that the news has created over the years and let us down all these rabbit holes. It's like, fuck. What what the fuck were we doing?
The whole point was to make you hate each other. Yeah. Who's dividing conquer a 100%? Arabs with box cutters. Can I just say?
Blacks versus drones, dude.
Arabs with box cutters. Okay. Alright. Arabs and box cutters. Okay.
Is there is there a I know when you think
about It's hilarious when you say it. Of course. Like twenty years being like, the threat is Theo, the threat is Arabs with box cutters. They could be anywhere. I was like,
shut up. I don't know. It's if it's pretty masterful, like, how things have gone on, but it's just
it's pretty wild. It you will punch through. I can tell that you're, like, in a stage that I was literally last week. And then you get through it and you're like, it's okay. It's totally okay.
I was an idiot for bleeping that stuff in the first place. It's my fault actually. If I fell for like read his Jeffrey Epstein's emails and you will realize like, if I fell for the idea that he was a, like, a diabolical mastermind and not just some thug from Staten Island or Coney Island, that was on me. Then you break through and you're like, of course, it's fake. It was never real.
You really think that with the world at stake, three ZIP codes in Pennsylvania are choosing the president. Okay. Yeah. Alright now. So, no, of course, it's fake.
Shame on me for believing it. But now, like, all the things that are real, god, people you love, the truth, it's like there's so much to be happy about, actually. You don't have they want you to be totally freaked out. They are the ones who wrote this horror movie.
Right. Like, bang.
What was that noise? Holy shit. Is there something under the bed?
Yeah. And you look under the bed and you realize, yeah. It's actually there are tons of monsters under the bed, but they're kinda like lame monsters. They're like Jeffrey Epstein monsters. They're like, not that scary, really.
I'm not afraid of
you, bitch. And then the second you say that,
you're like, oh, I'm not afraid of anything, actually. Like, look under the bed. Yes. There are monsters. No.
They probably can't kill you unless you bitch out and let them.
Yeah. Do you what do you feel like about is going on with Candace right now? Do you feel like the the issues with the with the French are realistic? When she went down that wiener thing, I was like Weiner? Cares if that lady has a wiener or whatever
Oh, oh, with miss McCrone or whatever? Yeah. The the president is
Who cares if somebody has a dang wiener or whatever if some lady has a wiener? It's like
It would be shocking if you didn't know it and you found it by accident. I do think that.
Oh, yeah. If you were looking for something in your purse and then a damn wiener was in there.
No. But, I mean, if you were, like, I don't know, in a cab or something and reached over and you you found what you didn't expect, you know, like in Bangkok or something.
If I'm rushed, show that thing off every now and then I pop that bitch out at a party. Yeah. I would do that ring game. That would kinda like I'd have that ring game, like, and just hang it from my chin and then have people try to hook it on there.
You know? Your roommate with a Viagra supply.
Oh, dude. Would you know
my name?
Dude, they'd make me play it, like, three or four times.
If I was in bed
with my wife and you showed up in the dark with an acoustic guitar playing Eric Clapton, that would scare first of all, I would and I'm not violent, I'd fucking blow you away because I have a sidearm in my headset. I would. All of a sudden, you're
in bed with your girl and
all this someone's singing.
Eric Clapton on acoustic guitar is like a fucking nightmare. You're like the Incubus. I'd be like, stop right there.
And you'd be like, dude.
Well, the crazy thing, it's the saddest song. I don't even know what the song was about. I just learned it. And then in hindsight, when I realized I'm in there just playing for a bunch of geeked up seniors who were hopped up on on wiener uppers, and I was over there fighting playing a sad song. Just thought.
Isn't it about his son dying? Yeah.
It's a beautiful but, yes, it is. And it's very sad. It's heartbreaking. I don't know what I was doing.
It's not a sexy song, though. And I wonder how that mixes with Viagra. I don't see them like, of all the Viagra songs, like, paradise by the dashboard lights or something. You know?
Yeah. Well, I can only I only knew three songs.
Me all night long.
Didn't have it.
But tears in heaven? I mean, that's a boner killer. No?
I thought so.
That's like a dirge.
They'd been drinking orange juice and vodkas, dude. I I the best thing I could do was that, and then I had that, well, Billy Ray was a preacher, son.
And that was a little Dusty Springfield, ladies and gentlemen. That's kind of
a hot song in a way.
That was a little too.
Do know that she was a British lesbian?
Dusty Springfield?
Yes. When you hear that, she's like, she's a black woman.
Wait. I thought it was a
No. No. She was a little white girl lesbian. That was her only hit, I think, ever. That that's Dusty Springfield, and she died young.
She died in
Who remade the song? At 60.
No. That's the original. It's hers.
Oh, it is.
I think people have covered it, but the the one that you know I thought, what's her name redid it? I'm sure many have covered it, but, like, the the one that you hear still is hers.
Is hers. Wow.
Yeah. Aretha. I guess Aretha did.
Oh,
Jaw Stone. It's a testament to the durability of her version that that's still the one. Amen. Amen. Written the year I was born, I think.
Yeah. I just wonder, like, is there
You got me spun up with the preacher stuff.
Did I really? You did. Well, who said stuff? I'm trying to get I'm He's a pastor that I know. Did he speak up about it?
Do you
know him? Is he here? Is he a good guy?
Oh, yeah. Jude is awesome. He's a great pastor. I just just wonder if some of, like, the bigger, like, pastors spoke up about it or not. I don't know.
And then that's when you start to think, well, am I wrong for you know, what am I feeling? What's going on? There's no public record of Judah Smith, the pastor and author speaking publicly about the conflict in Gaza. However, there's a different Judah Smith, a medical student, who spoke about the impact of mystical strike on Saroka Medical Center in Israel, which may be a good source of confusion. No public statements on the Gaza conflict from the pastor and lead at church home.
Yeah, I mean, people have their different views, you know? And those are like, I think it's just stuff I'm curious about. And I don't know like enough about the Bible sometimes.
I think we have to say that Jesus is against killing innocents. I just think we have to say that because what's I mean, if we can't say that, then what can we say? Yeah. This is not a religion of violence. It's just not.
Do
what do you feel like about Candace's the the assassination attempt? Do you find there was a reality in that?
I think that I don't I don't understand it. I love I just wanna say again, I love Candace. She's coming tonight.
Her kids are the best.
I've known her a long time. Yeah.
I go over there just like see her kids. Sometimes I know that's kind of weird or whatever.
It's not weird.
But it's not weird. I don't have any children or or wife or anything. So I go over there and, yeah, her kids are, like, as full of life as could be. And they're all mixed kids, and that's awesome. And then, like Pretty kids.
Oh, dude. She has beautiful kids. And her and Georgia are just funny, man.
I totally agree. Funny. And but so I would say of the of the assassination, you know, first of all, I knew him well. He was right at my house before he was killed, so I feel emotional about it still. Who was?
Charlie Kirk?
Yep. Oh, really?
No. Yeah. Didn't know that. And I love his wife and know his wife well. And so I feel emotional about it.
You know, I just haven't wanted everything to do with it. But I will say a couple of things. I don't understand the official story at all.
Of his assassination?
I don't understand it, and I wanna make sure that there is a truly rigorous and honest federal investigation of it, and I'm definitely concerned about that, a. B, I think that one of the I don't know many of the details, but I know that recently, Candace said that Egyptian registered aircraft were following Erika Kirk, Charlie's widow around for a number of years in different places in the world. That's one the weirdest things I've ever heard, and I just wanna say that that is factually true. That's true. So that's like the one data point that I happen to know is true.
What does that mean? I have literally no idea. I can't even guess, but that's very, very strange.
And what does Egyptian could mean aircraft from Egypt? Who knows?
I think that they were registered in Egypt. Got it. And But that fact is true. So enough and also her claim that there were kind of a disproportionately large number of foreign registered cell phones at the event. That's also true.
So what does that add to? I don't know. But it means that, you know, the FBI has a moral and legal obligation to look in every direction and to be open minded as you would in any investigation, in journalism, in science. It's all the same process. I don't know the answer, and I'm gonna sift through everything as open mindedly as I can, as honestly as I can to get to what the truth is.
Again, that's science, that's law enforcement, that's journalism. It's all the same. That's justice. And I just wanna make sure that is happening, and I just don't have a ton of confidence in the FBI or the men who run it. And I'm not saying that out of ignorance at all.
That's a scary part too.
I'm not alleging anything. I'm just saying I think it's really important that we have that. Yeah. And also I have no I mean I never wanted to think Twitter shit. Like, leaders of the FBI are
on Twitter? Like, what? Oh, the one to do you see the the the video that Tim Dillon did about the
No. Because it makes me too mad.
But no. I agree. It's like and, also, here's the weird thing. I never wanted to think about any of this shit. I never wanted to think that our FBI didn't care about us or that our CIA was compromised or that we couldn't like, you can't even call the police department without thinking that it goes directly to some other foreign lobby.
Right? Like so, like and, like, I like so it's weird that if people point fingers, you're like, I never I just wanted to be I just wanted to try my best and fucking be alive. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you're not like a weirdo just because your brain is trying to figure things out. That's a brain's job is to try to figure things out, is to try to make organization of things.
Right? So it's just so crazy that people who are trying to figure things out are getting ostracized. You know? Whether they're right or wrong or something, at least they're trying to have some semblance of, like, curiosity, which is really just kind of rephrasing.
Story describing the murder of your friend doesn't make sense, and you find yourself yelling at a podcaster for coming up with other theories, you're you're barking in the wrong direction. Your anger should be focused on the people whose job it is legally, constitutionally to get to the answer. And there's very little pressure on them, I noticed. Yeah. A great deal of pressure on Candace Owens.
And I've by the way, I've said this to a bunch of people, you know, off the record, you know, people I'm just talking to. It's like, you know, what Candace is saying is is clearly causing a lot of turmoil. Is it true or not? I can't assess it. I'm not the FBI.
I'm a freaking podcaster, but I do know how the system works, and it's really simple. The FBI has this case and, of course, the state of Utah. It's their job to not only find out what happened, present it to the public in a way that restores some confidence that you can, like, have justice in this country. We have functioning law enforcement. I I don't have confidence in that because there's a lot of evidence that we don't have that.
So restore confidence by being honest and telling a story that makes sense. So why and if they don't do that and they haven't done that, they have not done that, How can you be mad at Candace Owens or anyone else for filling a vacuum that they left? Yeah. Well, Candace is okay. No.
The people with the authority are responsible, and they're the ones who should be held responsible when there's a failure. Not some podcaster. Not me. Not you. Not Candice.
The people whose job it is. Talk about and it's always that. It's always like, you know, you're you say, well, I don't know why Israel's committing genocide, God's like,
shut up, Theovan. It's like, shouldn't you
be mad at Israel for committing the genocide?
No. Yeah. Or shouldn't why am I the one even asking about it? Exactly. Dude, I'm just a curious fucktard, dude.
You know what I'm saying? I'm trying my best, but fuck, dude.
I couldn't agree more.
You know? I'm a guy who lived with a 66 year old man to fucking chirp boner pills off of him, dude. With respect,
like a lot of these criminal investigations, your story doesn't make sense.
I
dude. You I
asked Walley. He played tennis. He was a four he was a four point o
at tennis. That makes him sound kinda wholesome and normal. He was my buddy's dad. You live with him, she can get free boner pills. Then he invites you into his bedroom in the dark with his girl to play Eric Clapton songs on an acoustic guitar, and you don't think there's anything kinda freaky about that at all?
I think that's the most normal thing we've talked about all episode.
You know, you're probably right.
To be really
honest with context, yes.
I wanna get you out of here soon because we wanna go to your party tonight. What what is one of the things about the Charlie Kirk assassination that rubs you the wrongest? Do you feel like
About the investigation into it?
Yeah. I mean, it's the whole thing with the kid and the images, and then they see him at, a Dairy Queen. Some of the it's just like it's also confusing. You can't decide what to believe. But what do you but also the fact that it doesn't feel like there's any presentation from the FBI or something about reality.
So it feels like it's just it's it's Internet sleuth filling in all the pieces. What do you think?
I've called directly to say that just as an American, as a friend of Charlie's who is interested in seeing justice and is interested in preserving our system beyond this year. Like, you want the system to continue, you have to satisfy people that system is real. And if they're convinced that it's not real, at some point, they'll overthrow it. That's just gonna happen. Okay?
Oh, but Mamdani. Yeah. How do think we got Mamdani? Or and you think Mamdani's radical? The dude went to Bowdoin.
It could be a lot more radical than that. And we're gonna get that.
There'll be a sailing team there.
Do they? Yeah. At Bowdoin? I thought it
was Bowdoin, but it's not.
No. It's Bowdoin. Known really for sodomy, but also sailing.
Didn't know that. Oh, didn't know that.
Enthusiastic. I actually think they've got one of the top rated varsity sodomy teams in the country. Hard to starboard. Zen users. But anyway, here's what I am concerned about.
Two well, a lot of things. One, he acted alone. Tell me how that worked. I don't you know, none of us really act alone.
It's hard to go anywhere by yourself too.
Thank you. Exactly. You acted totally alone. Okay. You're gonna have to prove that to me.
It's totally possible. Anything is possible. Weird things have happened. We'll continue to. But if you're that's not my default assumption, and it shouldn't be yours.
And their default assumption was we acted alone. Really? Why do you think that? What about life suggests that people typically act alone? When was the last time you acted alone in anything?
I don't go you know? Right? So a. B, we know that people had foreknowledge of this because they posted about it on x and said Charlie Kirk is gonna be killed on this date, and he was.
Is that true?
Yes. It's true. He Were
they just guessing? Was it a guessing thing where every day they'd be
good at? Maybe. Maybe. Have those people been interviewed? Have they been hauled into FBI HQ and had a long conversation with how they knew that?
Like, let's get really specific. Why did you post that? Who have you talked to? Like, if I were doing this investigation because I spent my whole life doing noncriminal investigations called journalism, Like, what do we know is true? How do we find out?
Call everybody. Be open minded. It's like a very it's the same process. If I was doing this investigation, they would be at the very top of the list. We know because we've got public postings on Twitter that people know just like a nine We know people bet against American Airlines and the banks that were in the World Trade Centers.
They shorted those stocks. Those people clearly had foreknowledge of nine eleven. Who were those people? We still don't know. So I would start there.
But so you're saying that just the fact that there could possibly be some foreknowledge should be investigated.
Foreknowledge because they were I saw the tweets. And so there were I saw at least two that said, you know, everything's gonna change when Charlie Kirk gets to the college in Utah.
Okay.
So those people, I'm not saying they're part of a conspiracy, but there's evidence that they have foreknowledge. Okay? So that's where you begin. And then I could go on. Like, tell me how this guy who seemed normal became a radical trans furry murderer?
It's not enough to tell me, oh, trans. I'm not pro trans, by
the way. But was that the guy or his boyfriend?
Well, exactly. Exactly right. Tell me how this guy became so radicalized that he murdered a stranger. Just I'm not saying it didn't happen. I'm just saying I want an explanation for how it happened.
Why wouldn't I?
I agree.
Oh, we can't talk about that because it'll, you know, prejudice the jury pool. Really, you're you've told the world that you have both a confession from him in his text to his boyfriend and the murder weapon with his fingerprints on it. I think you got a pretty solid case. So why is it so difficult to just explain, dude, 09:11, the rubble was still smoldering when f I was on television on 09:11, so I remember this very well. People are instantly appeared going, that's this is Islamic radicalism.
Here's where it comes from. Gonna invite this guy in from Colombia who's just written a book about it, and, like, they whole explanation was ready to go. Yeah. This there's no even attempt which is both good and bad, but there's no attempt to explain how this happened. Like, it's that's the key question we all wanna know.
Yes. I know Charlie Kirk just got was murdered by gunshot. Got it. Saw it. Why?
And they never wanna tell you. Yeah. Was the kid on SSRI? Shut up. Were you a Scientologist?
They immediately start name calling you. Oh, you're Candace Owens now?
No. Yeah. But if you're just a curious person who wants to know why your friend got killed, well, that's
not a human person. That's what I am.
That's what I'm saying. It's it's just it's a human person.
Well, that's what Candace is. So maybe so I have said from the beginning, if you don't like what Candace Owens is saying, why don't you call her and offer a more plausible explanation for what happened?
Oh, she's bad. She's bad.
Okay. I mean, I like her a lot. I don't think she's bad, but I love her actually. But let's just stipulate she's bad, but why wouldn't you do that?
I I don't agree with some of the stuff that she the rabbit hole she goes down, but I don't even know. But I like the fact that she likes to dig in the garden. You know? So it's like, I like the fact that she's curious and that, obviously, if people weren't resonating with what she's doing, then nobody would be paying attention. But you know how many places I go?
People come up to me and be like and I don't think they wanna say something to me. They'll be like,
I love Candace Owens. Dude, did I say what happened to in Oslo this summer? Mm-mm. I was with my family, salmon fish.
White Oslo. Some people call it white Oslo as well.
It's not very white anymore. It isn't? Nope.
It's low.
But anyway, I'm in Oslo, Norway, and well, just for one night, we were fishing. We go to Oslo to fly out, and I'm walking down the street with one of my daughters. Tucker Carlson. I was like, shit. I'm gonna get yelled at in Oslo.
Sky runs up to me. Tucker Carlson, yes. You know Candice Owens? I was like, yeah? He goes, tell her I love her.
And I texted Candice. Was like, that is fame when people come up to you just because of the reflected glory of someone you know. Yeah. She so why do people like Candice so much? She's an amazing broadcaster.
Yes. Because they sense in her, she might be wrong. Is she lying to me? Not on purpose. They sense the purity of her intent.
That's the truth. And I can say as someone who's dealt with government officials my whole life, I'm not vouching for everything Candace claims. I don't even know a lot of what she claims because I'm working on other stuff, and it makes me sad also. But the point is, do I trust Candace more than I trust your average DOJ official? Are you joking?
It's not even close, dude. Yeah. It's not even close. It's not even close. We can all be wrong, but who do I trust to, like, try to tell the truth more?
Candace or your average DOJ official? Opposite ends of the spectrum. I'll just say that.
Yeah. Do you feel that? Scary time. Yeah. It's a scary time.
It's like, I remember when you were interviewing Putin. Yeah. I remember thinking we may get some real information here, which is kind of a crazy
I know.
And I'll just admit that. I'll be like, dude, we might really get some information here. Instead of all this BS, like Russia was involved in making all these ads and all this thing, We might really get some information here. Yeah. Well, you were right.
It's 02:58. You came at noon. Right? Yeah. Okay.
We gotta get you out here. Damn. That sucks. There goes your nap, though.
I don't nap anymore.
You don't?
No. I'm I'm dude, I'm flying The Middle East tomorrow. That's like twelve hours a piece for me. I'm just gonna eat hummus.
Are you flying on a commercial?
I'm flying commercial. They have the The best. They have the best airline. I'm sorry. I know that makes me an Islamist.
I know I'm responsible for Danny Pearl's murder for saying that, but Qatar Airways is, like, the best airline. It just is. I phone an all airline.
Dude, some of the best people over there. I'll I had a great time over there.
Totally agree.
And what I like about their country is they keep shit in line. Like, you there's not a lot of fucking BS over there.
No. And you can say what you want. It's more it's definitely more restrained in some ways.
Yeah. We could say get as well, dude. Remember you couldn't even say it the other day.
Well, I could say it because I'm American, but, like, no. You're not allowed to spray paint public buildings there. Sorry. You can't shit on the sidewalk. You're not allowed to have sex in an ATM vestibule or smoke meth in front of other people's houses, but you can say what you believe.
So there's a constriction of freedom in some ways for sure.
Especially, Well, like, the other day. So my gay friend calls me up. He's like, dude, he wanted me to say it to his friends on Zoom. Right? And I'm like,
dude your life like, dude?
Bro, I'm like, dude, I'm not saying I just woke up.
Can we just you just said my my gay friend called the other day, and he wants me to say fuck it to his friends on Zoom. Yeah. He thought it would be cool. Amazing sentence.
Yeah. But, it's like people are trying to say, like, well, you can't see this and that, but it's like, what do you want me to do in that instance? It's like, my gay buddy calls me up, and he's like, dude, a couple of my boys are over here. Trent's over here saying, fuck it for us. And I'm like, dude, you know, and I just woken up.
Right? I'm like, I'm not saying it like if I just woke up, dude.
That's crazy. Ease into fuck it. You can't you can't just, like, go cold into it. I've had this exact problem.
Dude, I'm not having my eyes
open for My wife will say
that. She'll wake me up and she's like, say
I'll be like, woah. Woah. Woah. I need a cup of coffee first.
I can't. Do. Right. At least let me put on some sneakers. You know?
Like but that was it's like and then and also the fact that Piers Morgan wouldn't say it. It's a British word. You guys started the word.
I know. It's not like I asked him to say cunt. I almost did because I think that's allowed. You can say that. Well, that's fair.
But it's word as they say where I live.
They're both his words, dude. And I understand, like, not yelling it at somebody that's gay or, you know, say you open your door and, like, two guys are, like, blowing each other in your front yard or something. I don't
No. That's when you don't say it.
That's when you don't say it.
Because you don't call the fat girl fat. Well You joke about the skinny girl being fat because it's a joke. Yeah. You don't yell fat. You do
you're like, hey, fellas. Hit the road. Right? You know? Right.
It's like
exactly.
Dude, like one time I walked behind a seven eleven, there's a couple of gay dudes back there. One of them was at least gay and they were one of them was blowing one of them. Right? So at least
So who is gay? I don't know. Who is gay? And that's No. Sorry.
Just kidding. Who is gay? But, yeah, I didn't ask right at that point. No. But I was like, guys, come on.
You know? And they were and one of them got into a car that had those, it was like a Honda Civic that had those it was around the holidays that had those antler ears out the side. Yeah. And I was like, that's
Was that the guy blowing or getting blown?
I don't know which one it was, but that was the It matters. It matters. But that was the it, I think. That was the gay A 100%.
That was The antler
ears? Yeah.
But that was the gay guy. Yeah. So, anyway, I don't even
know called deductive reasoning. Dude, dude. You are the Sherlock Holmes of gay seven '11. Dude.
But my buddy, the other day, it's like, now I'm the bad guy to a gay friend because I won't say that because I won't say that over to his Zoom at work. And I'm like, dude, I'm not
It's bad. You got a buddy calls. All he needs you to do is say on Zoom. That's it. He's not asking for he's not alone.
He's not asking
to bail him out
of jail. He just want just say it on Zoom, and you're like, no. The one thing you want,
I deny you. Dude, I and I've said this before. I think that a lot of people, like, gay people, they should auction off the word. Somebody can say it one time at a certain time. Everybody can buy a Zoom pass to watch the person say it.
Like, you pet like, say, like, I'm trying to think of who, but say, who's a good one? Bert Reynolds is gonna say it tonight. Right? He's gonna say it tonight at midnight. Oh.
And everybody can buy a pass to watch him say it. Right?
I love that. But it doesn't I'm not insecure about this because I've worked around and loved gays my whole life.
Yeah. None of my gay friends are gonna be upset about this.
But you know what? They are the offenders. It's like they're like rappers with the n word. It's insane. You work with gay men.
He's honest. Be like, oh, I can't
do this. Yeah. I can't even yeah. The people that say but, dude, I think it's the same with the n word. They should auction it off where people could like, say if Angelina Jolie is saying the n word tonight at 10:15.
You know how many people are gonna pay to watch, and then the money goes towards, black causes and black culture?
Pay per view profanity. Yep. I love that. You know how Like, why waste it? Right.
No. You're totally right.
You know how many people? She gets thirty minutes. She can say it anywhere in there. She can do a little bit. She can read a book and
drop it. Angelina Jolie is saying the n word. I might actually pay the $25.99 to see that.
Dude, who wouldn't?
No, actually.
I know. What I'm saying. But then then you're making That
is so naughty. That's like a
I agree. But you're making money for your cause.
It's hate crimes OnlyFans. Oh, kinda.
Yeah. But I think Can you do that? I've never
been an OnlyFans, obviously. But could you get an OnlyFans and be like, say say the
n word? I mean
I think you could do it, dude. If you could get George Washington's great grandson to say it, what about that? Tonight, we got George Washington's great grandson. Bring him up. We got George Washington's great grandson tonight at probably he's about I bet he's pretty old.
So about 07:15PM.
Pretty old. He's, like, about a 150 years old, actually. Wait.
Sorry. Oh, George Washington didn't have any children?
It's only the Custuses. It's through his wife's family. No. Okay. He didn't.
But if his great great grandson is saying, I'm gonna tap in, there's no way. If it's 699, I hear him say it at seven fifty.
If it was Thomas Jefferson's black great great great great grandson. Right. Exactly.
I wouldn't as much.
There's no charge there.
It's still if it's a little Asian guy or whatever who's been in a coma, they know he's waking up at three. At 04:30, he's gonna say it. And mispronounces it.
Yeah. I would I would pay for that.
Yeah. That would be crazy. They might have take that part out. Anyway, Tucker, how do we stay like, I'm sure there's moments where you've gotten down too far down the well. Like, if you look at some of this stuff too much, it gets really it can get pretty negative.
I'm out of the well. I'm totally out of the well. I'm above the clouds, and it's always sunny there. It's like I feel so much better because I just concluded that everything you suspect is true. It's always been true.
It was true in Rome. It was true in every period in history, and it's true now. And the only thing that's changed is we lied to ourselves about it. But now once you realize, yeah, it's all true. I don't need any more evidence.
I got it. I figured it out. And the good things in life are still amazing, and you can make a difference by telling the truth. And when you do, you become stronger in some supernatural way. And there's just so much beauty and joy in life.
I'm not gonna get bogged down in all the hatred. I'm not gonna take orders from Mark Levin and become a Nazi just because he calls me one. No. Sorry. I'm playing your games.
Oh, for sure. It's like people say stuff on the Internet. It's like, whatever, dude.
But pivot against it. Be like, yeah. Yeah. People will make fun of me
stuff or do certain things. It's like, I don't care about it that much. I don't care really what you call me that much. I mean, I already know things that I am. You know?
I'm not great. That's for sure. But
But they never call you the things you really are. He lived he lived with a dude who gave him free Viagra.
I had to steal it. Had to sneak in there and eat some of it at night. Tucker Carlson, man, thanks so much for your time, dude. Do you think we're gonna get in trouble for any of this?
I I'm already I was already voted Nazi of the week by b b or something. I don't I don't care. It's a lie. And if you spend your life
You don't seem like a Nazi to me at all, man.
No, not a Nazi. You know? And I'm not gonna become one.
Yeah, dude. I would notice if you started Nazi ing a little bit. Yeah. You know? It's a little too rigid for
me just temperamentally also. I don't like tight clothing at all. I can't stand to be ordered. You'd look good in green, though.
Look. Before you leave, Tucker, I just wanna play this for you.
Alright? Do you mind?
Would you know?
I'm getting wood listening to the book.
It's just you
know, I'm thinking, like, maybe I do invite Theo over. Just middle of the night, in bed with my wife. It's totally dark. All of a sudden, they hear the the notes.
Well, it's because I couldn't make rent sometimes. Think he was thinking of any way I could
help out. Get it. You're young. You needed the money. I've heard this before.
Hey, dude. Those erections, those are caused by Alps. You know that, don't you? Yes. They are.
The pouch for your mouth.
Hey. Tucker Carlson, thanks so much, man. And thanks for inviting me to your get together. I'm excited about it, and I'll see you later on. Anything else you wanted to talk about?
Alright. Appreciate you, brother.
You're the best.
You too, man. Yep. Stay safe.
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