Joe Rogan Experience #2526 - JD Vance

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uh last time I saw you, we were at a cage fight at the White House. >> That's right. That's [laughter] That's >> one of the craziest experiences of my

life. It must have been one of the craziest experiences of your life. >> Oh, yeah. It took me like 2 weeks afterwards to recover just to like go, did that actually happen? That seems It

seems so insane. >> Okay. The most insane part of it, which I guess was was before you got there to to me at least, is you like you come into work every day in the White House,

right? You you know, I have an office in the West Wing. There's the Oval Office in the West Wing. And you look out the window and as this like eightstory complex was growing up, it was the it

was just the most unbelievable thing. I think it's like the south lawn of the White House, but you've got the eighth wonder of the world [laughter] being built up around it. And every day I'd

look at it and be like, it would take me a couple seconds to be like, "What the hell is going on?" And I like, "Oh yeah, it's UFC. It's UF UFC coming in a couple weeks."

>> The whole thing was surreal. First of all, it was crazy that the weather just went around us. >> Like there was a real moment where the fights would have been postponed until

10:30 p.m. to start. >> Correct. And uh last minute the storm just diverted. >> That's right. Well, and uh you know this this uh this book that I have that I'm I

guess we'll talk about a little bit, but the book tour started the next day. So I was flying to New York the next day to talk about it. And all I could think about is every time we got the update

from White House weather, oh it might not start until 10:30. I was thinking to myself, "Holy that means I'm going to go to bed at like 4:00 a.m. I'm going to look like a total crazy person when I

try [laughter] to go talk about go talk about this book." But yeah, it it it amazingly it did work out. Honestly, it actually helped a little bit because, as you know, it was hot as hell out there

and it was super humid, you know, mid June in in in DC. And I think the weather actually helped cool it down a little bit because by about 10:00 or so, I was not thinking it's hot as hell out

here anymore. >> Yeah, it wasn't too bad. But I talked to Justin Gatey about it and he said it was a problem when he was fighting. He said the air was very thick. Okay.

>> Like it like right after the first round, he was like, "Boy, >> like this is rough." Cuz that hot humid air and you know it's >> Yeah. Yeah. No, it's it's it's fine

walking around. >> It's it's I mean it's okay walking around. It still feels it is a swamp, right? That's why people call it the swamp. So, you know, that's obviously

June 14th. That's the president. >> That's not why they call it the swamp. [laughter] >> That's one of the reasons why they call it the swamp.

>> They call it the swamp. >> They call it swamp because of my colleagues, too. >> Cuz it's filled with [laughter] mud and water and gunk and and swamp

monsters. >> Oh, man. So, that's June 14th. So, it's the president's birthday. That's also was that was my 12th wedding anniversary.

>> Oh, wow. and uh my wife. So that's that's the one thing like if somebody runs in here, it's because my wife's going into labor cuz she's like 39 weeks pregnant. But uh I remember we go out to

dinner like right before the UFC fight and we're of course checking the weather report to figure out what's going on. And you know, my wife normally likes to come to the cool stuff of being vice

president. That was the one where she was like, "It's hot. I'm super pregnant and I'm not going to sit sit out there for six hours." So >> yeah, I couldn't imagine [laughter]

Also, it was just there was so much chaos and and the potential for real chaos was always there. First of all, you have the Ellipse. So, the Ellipse has what 85,000

people outside >> and for people that watching at home like we could hear them like when the fights when when something would happen >> in like kind of a delayed way, right?

>> You hear the cheers from the people that were near. So, it was like 3,000 plus people tightly close to the octagon and then you had 85,000 people in the Yeah. >> Yeah.

>> in the background. It was very eerie. >> Yeah. >> I actually loved that. Like I loved the delay reaction to where you know somebody get a good punch in or you know

you get a takedown and then it was almost like the wave, right? Cuz there was the initial center of it and then the people outside of it. >> It was pretty sick.

>> It was pretty sick. It was very [laughter] cool. I think Dana said not once in a lifetime or not once in a generation or once in a lifetime experience.

>> Yeah. I mean, it's once ever. Yeah. I don't see any other president. I mean, if you become president, you're not going to do that, [laughter] right? >> Uh I don't know, man.

>> It's I wouldn't I didn't want to do it. >> Very cool. Get it over with. Do it once. >> It was the only time in the history of the sport where there's been seven stoppages. Seven Seven knockouts. Like

every single fight was a knockout. >> I didn't realize that. >> Yeah. Every single fight. Okay. >> But the thing is like we've had seven knockouts in a card. I think this last

weekend we had 10 10 stoppages. >> But um >> that was different because it was like 14 fights. That's right. >> This is all fights. Every single fight

was a knockout. >> So the last fight. When did you realize that was over >> with Connor? >> Yeah.

>> Um when he fell down the second time I was like this is not good. F the first time I thought he just slipped. It's hard to tell. It's wild. It's in the moment. I thought he slipped and then

when he got up and he threw a kick again, I'm like, "Oh, I don't like how his leg just gave out." That didn't seem like I'm still hoping he's just slipping.

>> Yeah. >> I'm hoping he's just freaking out cuz he hasn't been in the octagon in 5 years. >> And then he started moving around and he he like grabbed his knee and buckled.

>> Okay. >> And there was some conversation that Yeah. There was some conversation going on between him and Max Holloway. And I was like,

>> you know, Max is saying he can't fight. Like something's wrong. and he's saying, "Fight me." He's like, "Get up." And so he lets him up and then his his knee buckles. Then the referee stops the

fight. >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. There it always So so the the very I think it was the very last fight where the the ref tried to call it at the end of the third round

and then because he was he was saying that there was a concussion issue. I mean I couldn't tell what was going on. >> This the Ilia Tapora fight, the Justin Gate fight at the White House.

>> The Taporio Justin fight. >> He couldn't see. >> Okay. >> He was saying he couldn't see. Well, something was wrong with his right eye.

>> Well, I mean it looks like his whole face was puffed up, so he couldn't see anything, but Okay. So, I thought it was a concussion thing, but it was it was because of his vision.

>> No, they never got they I mean, the concussion thing would only be if someone had been battered. There's a lot of times where fighters are fighting with concussions.

>> Yeah, it happens all the time. You get dropped in the first round, you probably have a concussion. You get back up, you keep fighting, you're fighting on instincts. There's been many times where

fighters wake up in like the fourth round >> and they've fought three rounds and they don't remember it at all. >> God, that's pretty crazy.

>> Not the best way to make a living. [laughter] >> Not the best way to make a living, man. Yeah. No. So, we saw Gachi um at the White House a couple of weeks ago and I

asked him, I was like, "So, are you done fighting?" And he kind of hesitated a little bit and then I think it was his mom was in the Oval Office with her. She's like, "Yes." [laughter]

>> Yeah. But, you know, if they offer him some life-changing money for one more fight after that performance, I have a feeling he'll take it. >> Like, what is what could he fetch for

his next fight? Like 50 more? >> It's a good question. You know, I don't know what his contract is. I don't know how it works. I don't know what the most anyone's ever I try not to pay attention

to that stuff >> because I'm not on the business end of the sport. >> It kind of color your perception a little bit.

>> It can. And it's also it's I mean I want them to get paid the most amount possible. That's my perspective. Yeah. >> But what I'm my job is just to analyze and to see what's going on and to

commentate and try to give color and life to what's happening inside the octagon. And I don't I try not to dwell too much on the money. I just want them to get paid a lot. Yeah.

>> I want them to be able to retire and never have to do anything ever again. >> Sure. >> I don't know if Justin could do that. What's crazy about it to me is just how

much the sport has replaced boxing and like there's still obviously boxing is still a big deal and fighters still get paid a lot of money but like I remember when I was I don't know in high school I

feel like people would get really excited about the big heavyweight heavyweight title bout. Now it's the UFC thing. >> So culturally it's like UFC has taken

over boxing and I don't I mean I don't know how or why that happened. Like I don't know if it's just good marketing or if it's just the fights are so much more real and intense. Like I but it's

it is a crazy shift that's happened in 20 years. >> Well, I've had some I had some friends this past weekend that manage fighters. My friend Josh Dubin and a few other

friends that actually manage boxers come to the UFC and they were all like, "Oh my god, this is so much better than a boxing promotion." Because you c all the fights are exciting. With boxing, most

people are just there for the main event. >> And a lot of people don't even stroll in until like 15 minutes before the main event. Sure.

>> Like all the famous people that sit in the front row. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Uh in the UFC, that place is packed for, >> you know, five, six, seven fights in.

>> Yeah. >> You know, and there's 14 fights in the night and all of them are amazing. It's like in the beginning it's usually like half full

>> depending on where you are. If you're in a place like Salt Lake City, it's pretty packed like right away because they only get like one event every year or >> so.

>> But um it's just a more exciting sport. There's more ways to win. It's more dynamic. More things happen >> and there's more stars. There's so many stars in the UFC.

>> Yeah. So I'd never seen a fight live before. Like I've watched them on TV, but I'd never been there live. So kind of crazy that it's literally in the south lawn of the White House. But the

thing that I found completely shocking about it was like I would think those those like arm bar takedowns are just done. Like that's it. You're over. But there were a couple of times where

somebody had another person's arm and >> Yeah, that was Josh Hoit and Derrick Lewis. >> Bless you. >> Um and it's like holy

>> Yeah, he >> you're going to have your arm broken off and yet he didn't. >> He wasn't doing it right. >> Okay. [laughter] Josh Hok is a great

wrestler and he's an excellent fighter, but he's not really a submission specialist. I mean, he did get the arm bar, but he didn't do it right. Okay. >> He was basically like pulling on. You

have to elevate your hips and you have to create space so that the arm is bending back this way. His arm is essentially flat to his chest, which is not what you want. What you want is

>> a back arch like this where you see like how it is right there. Yeah. Yeah. >> So, what he wants to do here, what he should do instead of having his hips down, his knees up, what you're supposed

to do is heavy leg curls with the leg and elevate the hips up and pull it way back. So, he'd almost be bridging it. He would be on the top of his shoulders and bridging and then he would have broken

his arm. The other option is you pull it off to the side like this. >> Yeah. >> And you put it to the side of your hip and you can break it that way.

>> Okay. >> But it's just bad technique. >> Okay. So, watching it. No offense, Josh. >> Yeah. Yeah. Watching it, I didn't realize that. I just could not believe

that dude held out for like 30 seconds with his >> Was that more shocking or when he said Michelle Obama is a man? [laughter] Which one was more shocking?

>> Uh, definitely the armbar part. Man, [laughter] I I work in politics. People say crazy stuff all the time. >> Well, he says that every fight, does he? >> Yeah. Yeah, he said it. He said that the

last time I interviewed him. >> Oh, man. Well, it's >> He's like a pro wrestling character. People lost their minds about it. >> I know.

>> Lost their minds about it to the point where again I had the view either the next day or the day after to sort of promote this book. >> That must be fun.

>> It was crazy. It was harder than any anything I've done in politics. But the the the to the point where all of my comm's people, the thing they were most worried about was they're going to ask

you about Michelle Obama being called a man. Like what what are you [laughter] like what are you going to say about it? And I was like, what an amped up fighter told a joke after a fight. Said

something after a fight and that's actually national news. I'm still surprised. I've been in politics now for three or four years. I'm still shocked the that people get really fired up

about. >> Well, I kind of understand it because it's at the White House. First of all, a cage fight at the White House is crazy already. I mean, if he said Michelle

Obama's a man at the T-Mobile Arena in Vegas, it's like, okay, >> less of a story. He what he is is he's a very good fighter first of all and but sometimes that's not enough to get

attention and so what Josh has done is created this persona like this pro wrestling bad guy persona when you talk to him offstage he's like very normal very smart guy

>> it's just like he's decided like look I want to maximize the amount of eyeballs that see me and I'm going to create this crazy person he comes out to the Hulk Hogan song I'm a real American

who has sunglasses on, American flag band. It's, you know, he's >> I mean, I love I love the I love the presentation, but again, I like >> not the best thing to say at the White

House. Michelle Obama's a man is not the best thing to say. >> Fair, but the reaction to it to me was still totally disproportionate. >> Yeah, of course.

>> People say, Dude, people say stuff all the time. And what I Okay, I I live I I I work in a business where obviously people make life decision, life and death decisions all the time. And I'm

always a little bit caught off guard by the culture that just overreacts when clearly the thing what that Josh is trying to get is the overreaction in the first place, right?

>> So you give him exactly what he wants and like the worst you could say is, "Oh, that was an offensive comment." And you get on with the rest of your life. Like that's the worst that you could

say. the people who really flip out about it and kind of lose their minds. I just I don't understand that. >> Well, first of all, I think a lot of it is there is an economy that is

essentially based on getting reactions. >> Correct. >> And there's a lot of people that are just, for a lack of a better term, they're they're not real. They're

they're reactions are performative. Like a lot of what they're doing is just trying to trying to comment on things and get clicks and likes and views. And social media has ruined discourse in a

lot of ways because people >> it has >> people are not having like real conversations about things. is they're reacting to things on Instagram and

Twitter >> and you know they're just they they look at an opportunity like that like oh I found a gold nugget >> they're like this is going to give me

money or this is going to give me attention this is going to give oh I can't wait to have a take on that. >> That's exactly right. So but okay so my response to that is so many things is

like oh he was being funny he was being outrageous and I just move on with my life. What I find very interesting is the people who say, you know, oh, that was a joke. Like when when Kill Tony,

you remember he told like the joke heard around the world in Madison Square Garden during the 2024 election. >> I remember getting into an argument with somebody about this and I may have even

been like in an interview, but >> I don't remember. It could have been private, too. Anyway, I I'm like, he told a joke and then the person's response is, well, it's not a very funny

joke. And my response to that is, you know what happens when somebody tells me a joke that's not funny? I don't laugh and then I move on with my life. This whole industry around outrage,

>> especially getting outraged around humor, I think is actually really hurting the country. >> Well, in that case, first of all, I told Tony a long time ago that joke was going

to get him stabbed. I really did. He even jokes around about it on stage. He talks about me telling him, "That's the one, dude. That's the one's going to get you stabbed." Any good joke at least is

going to run you some risk of getting >> well certainly a a racial joke and that joke being about Puerto Rico. By the way, no one takes a joke better than Puerto Ricans. Puerto Ricans are some of

the best people at telling jokes. Like there it is a culture of joking and and around with each other and talking Like >> they're great at it. So like

>> some Puerto Rican guys in the Marine Corps, man. That's absolutely true. >> They love him still, you know, like even after that joke. What? So you you you advised him not to tell that joke.

>> Well, I was kind of half joking. You know, Tony that's what Tony does. You know what? By I just said that's the one that's going to get you stabbed. But I mean that's what Tony does. Tony is like

the Josh Hokit of comedy. Like he but very talented. You know, he's a really good he's a roaster. >> He's like roasting is is his specialty, but it's also like he's trying to ruffle

people's feathers. That's what he wants to do. He wants to piss people off. That's he likes being a pro wrestling heel. He always he's a huge pro wrestling fan.

>> Well, so well he so Tony I like I'm a huge fan of his comedy. I've only you know met him a couple times. I don't know him particularly well but he's actually like you know more political I

would say than most comedians. >> Do you think that's fair? Okay. >> So um >> well very supportive of like Trump >> like he's on the Republican team. He's

on their 100%. That's because he's experienced so many loony leftwing people in California and that's why he had to move. >> Well, somebody sent me a clip. I think

it was Shane Gillis at a roast where the the joke was they were roasting Tony and they're like, Tony Hinchcliffe is the only dude who would be excited if JD Vance was here. [laughter]

And I was like, one, that's a very good joke. And number two, I feel like I had made it. Like there have been a few moments where I feel like I've made it. When

>> you're the vice president of the United States, I think you made it. >> When when South Park spoofed me, I felt it more than when I got it sworn in as vice president of the United States.

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>> Get a kick out of it. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. He's one of the first people that moved out here with me. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I mean we've been here for six

years now. >> Yeah. And every time we go back to California, we're like, "We were right." >> Yeah, absolutely. >> We were right. It's falling apart. It

keeps going further and further down the toilet. >> Well, how do how do you feel like Austin is going? Cuz the criticism of Austin, call it five or six years ago, is that

all the like it's a cool town. It's got its own unique culture. It's Texas, but it's also its own thing. But that all of the blue sters moving in, we're going to like totally change the politics and the

culture of Austin. I actually don't think that's happened. >> I think the blue sters that moved here moved here because they recognized that wherever they were living was not

tenable. Yeah, it was falling apart. And all of these places like New York and really California, like especially Los Angeles and San Francisco, they're falling apart.

>> And I have a bunch of friends that are stuck there that can't move. Like maybe they have family there or maybe they have a business there. Y >> and they hate it. And then I

have a bunch of people that are trying to move but they can't sell their house. >> Like it's nuts there, man. I don't think people first of all you get gas lit by Gavin Newsome. I mean he's just

gaslighting everybody about how well, you know, oh the GDP of like the fifth largest country in the world. That's what California is. >> It's like dude,

>> hey bro, it was like that before you were the governor. >> Yeah, exactly. Also, how much does a U-Haul cost if you're leaving California? And how much does it cost if

you're going in California? Because that's the real measure of whether a state's doing well. >> Yeah. The state has more people moving out than moving in. And that has never

happened before. Correct. California's when I moved there in 1994 until I left, it was always every year traffic got worse. Every year more people moved there. Every year. And

>> I loved it. I loved it. I loved it. From the time I moved there, I was like, "This place is great. It's warm all the time. The weather's fantastic. There's [clears throat] so much cool stuff to

do. The people are great. >> Yeah. >> And then politics ruined it. >> That's right. So, my wife's from Southern California, San Diego, and so

we spent a fair amount of time there. And I I just, man, I still feel a certain sense of like heartbreak over LA. Oh, >> because every time I'm in LA, you can

see why this was like the quintessentially American city. The architecture is beautiful. It's got its own vibe going. Like you said, the weather is amazing. And then you drive

through Skid Row and you're like, how could any state or any city let this happen? >> Skidro is now 55 blocks. It was 50 blocks just like a year or two

ago. >> Okay. So my my first experience with Skidro was so Usha used to work at this like very fancy litigation firm in in Southern California. Um you before she

was second lady, she was a corporate litigator. So, there's a Christmas party in downtown LA and you get these instructions from her firm and they're like this really convoluted way of this

is how you have to get to this Christmas party. And I'm like, why do I have to follow these direct directions? Why don't I just put it in Google Maps, right? This is like five or six, seven

years ago. So, we realized that the reason why they gave you these convoluted directions was so that you could avoid Skid Row at night. And so you get to this party, you drive through

Skidro if you follow Google Maps's directions. You get there and it's like this beautiful facility with like fancy food and fancy wine and then there are armed guards outside of it and these

gigantic walls. And I realized when I was there, you know what this reminds me of? This reminds me of going to the US embassy in Porta Prince, Haiti. like super security, crazy wealth and

privilege and status on the inside and squalor and misery on the outside. Like it's the first time I'd ever thought America, like this part of America is actually more like a third world country

than anything that I thought we'd ever become. >> Let me ask you this. >> Yeah. >> Why is it that large population centers

like places like Los Angeles and New York are almost always run by the Democrats? Yeah. >> Like what is it about? First of all, what happened with the last election in

Los Angeles, the just the primary I I think was so super sus. And here's why it's super sus. >> Not just super sus that Spencer Platt, Spencer Pratt, who was in second place,

got overtaken by Nithia Ramen in the mailin ballots, but that the mail-in ballots also passed a tax hike. The people voted to pay more taxes. >> Yep.

>> In a state where you have the highest taxes. >> That's right. >> They're like, "We don't pay enough." [laughter]

>> That is insane. And then when you have direct evidence that they were recruiting homeless people. >> That's right. >> And they were getting homeless people

and giving them cigarettes and cash. There's evidence of this. To use their their address and mail in ballots. >> Yeah. I would have I wouldn't be the Californian Joe who wakes up in the

morning and says, "You know what? I'm going to go and vote for higher taxes. I don't I don't pay enough taxes. >> I I feel like we could fix this if I just%

more taxes." The crazy thing about it, too, is it's that okay, so after the initial ballots all came in, it was Karen Bass was number one, Spencer Pratt was right right behind her, and then

number three, whatever this woman Ramen. Okay. So, you would expect the mail and ballots to be more or less like the original ballots in terms of one, two, and three. I'm not saying Spencer's

going to win the mail and ballots, but it just so happened that the third place person in relative terms did a lot better than the first and second place person

such that the Republican was actually kicked out of the race so that there's not actually a real election in California. That to me was the crazy part. It's like you were designing the

vote share in order to kick Pratt out and put the third person into second place. That to me is like very very bizarre cuz what is the theory of the mail and vote that is somehow like so

much more pro- Nithia relative to Karen Bass? >> Makes no sense. >> Makes no sense. >> Makes no sense. Why would it be? Why why

would it be? I mean Karen Karen Bass was ahead by every metric. >> Yeah. But I mean Okay. So you ask a question. Why do all these blue states or why do all these big cities

population centers end up becoming um end up becoming blue? And I think it's like very complicated, right? So, one thing and you said this a few months ago and like when you said it, I was like

kind of annoyed by it, but then I like thought there's there's like an element of truth to it, which is that Republicans still fundamentally have a cool problem, right? There's something

more charismatic, more cool about the Democrats as opposed to the right. >> And so you you said something about >> there are too many dorks or something on the right.

>> There's a lot of dorks, >> you know. Fair. I'd say there's a lot of dorks on the left. >> There's a lot of dorks on the left, too. It's a different kind of dork.

>> It's a different kind of dork. But the the point is that there's something, you know, like, okay, if you're a pop star, you're a rock star, you're an actor, you're in all these cultural centers,

you're more likely to be left than right. And so I think that a lot of young people who are attracted to these population centers, they sort of move along with the prevailing culture. I

think that's that's one thing that's going on. I think a second thing that's going on is the people who are sort of attracted to a certain kind of right of center politics. They want the suburbs.

They want the single family home. They kind of want to be left alone. They don't want sort of to be able to hear what their neighbors are doing. So I think a little bit of it's just cultural

self-segregation. And that's meant that a lot of these population centers have gone blue. But it's very complicated. I've thought about this a lot. And I also just man I

like I'm not one of these people who says we should just abandon California to the Democrats. Like let them deal with their own problems. I think California is like a quintessential part

of the American dream. Like if you just abandon California, you've like lost something very core to American culture. And I I just I don't want to give up on it. Like I'm not saying we're going to

win California in my lifetime necessarily, but I don't like the idea of giving up on it. Well, it's not just giving up on I mean, giving up on it would be terrible. It's an awesome

state. The the real problem is it's deeply corrupt. >> I mean, deeply deeply corrupt. And what they're trying to do is make it impossible for the other side to win.

Yeah. >> And there should be laws against that. First of all, the idea of mail-in ballots for anybody other than people who are invalids who can't live their

homes or military or people that for some reason they're serving overseas, they're doing something overseas, >> it should not be legal, right? >> And the fact that it became ubiquitous

during co is a giant problem. >> Yeah. So, this raises one of my total segue here, side point, but so if you remember in the aftermath of the 2020 election where there was all this like

debate about was the election stolen, was the election not stolen, all the litigation that moved through, >> there was a case in Pennsylvania that like didn't get very much attention. And

I'm going to butcher it a little bit, but basically it was a guy in a rural area of Pennsylvania saying, "You're underounting my vote because we didn't have the opportunity to do the mail-in

ballots like they did in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh." And like the argument was a kind of disparit impact, right? The cities jinned up all the mail and balloting and the ballot harvesting. You

didn't do that in the country and that hurt sort of our representation. So they take this case to the Pennsylvania courts. And what's crazy is the Pennsylvania courts basically say,

you're making kind of a good point here. Like the ballot harvesting did affect Republicans in a more negative way. It did mean that certain people in the more rural parts of the state were

underrepresented. But then the court conclusion was this is not a problem a court can fix. Like that's a political problem. Change your, you know, local elections leaders, change your laws.

Like that's not a remedy that the court has to fix. And so everybody saw that case and they're like, "Oh, the judge rules against Donald Trump, rules against Republicans for saying that

there was something illegitimate." But no, actually the judge kind of said, "There is something kind of fishy here. We're just the wrong venue to fix it." >> Well, it it's just very disheartening

that you you have to consider the fact that it's really possible that the elections get stolen. And the California one was a big one for me. And why not just have mail in or why not just have

voter ID? >> Yeah, you actually that's insane. Not only did they not have voter ID, you can't show your ID. You're not allowed to show your ID.

>> You can in fact be like prosecuted if you try to force somebody to show their ID, >> which is that seems like you want people to cheat.

>> Exactly. [laughter] >> And is this from the same people that were saying you have to have an ID that shows you've been vaccinated just four years ago to go to grocery shopping or

to go to restaurant? Yeah. No, it's it's definitely that's the part about it that I think makes most people of my political persuasion skeptical of what the Democrats are doing. Like if you

don't want to cheat in the election, then just make everybody actually show an ID. What another thing people don't realize is I didn't realize this until a couple years ago, the voter ID solves a

lot of the mail-in ballot problem because if you have to show an ID in order to get a mail and ballot in order to actually, you know, confirm that there's a real identification attached

to that vote, that solves a big chunk of the problem. >> It's just logical. Like [laughter] I don't I'm not I'm not skeptical. I'm accusing them. I

think they stole the election. >> Yes. And I'm I'm I think it's common and I you know this idea that elections can't be stolen. I always say to people, okay, do you think that the amount of

election fraud is 0%. >> No one thinks that. >> Yeah. >> No one thinks it's zero. There's always some overzealous person that works

somewhere that's doing something. There's always crazy people. They're like, "Blue no matter who, we got to win or red no matter what." There's always people right and left that are going to

try to rig the election because they think it's imperative our n like look we we saw there was people like Oprah Winfrey was saying it like if we don't win this election we you may never vote

again like what the are you talking about [laughter] like why what who's going to tolerate that left or right that's crazy right >> but that attitude allows people to

justify cheating >> correct >> and I think they cheat and I I think they've been doing it forever and I don't think there's any other reason why

you would have no voter ID? And they try to say, "Oh, it's racist to have voter ID." Like, what are you talking about? Do you think other races are incapable of going to the DMV? That's insane.

>> It's it's that's racist. >> It's actually super racist. That's really racist. >> The implication of their argument is literally like blacks and Hispanics

cannot go to the DMV to get an ID. By the way, if you look at the polling, black Americans are as pro- voter ID. Even though they you most black Americans vote Democrat, they're still

pro- voter ID as much as white Americans is. Most Americans are voter. They want voter ID except for operatives. >> So I'll offer on the Joe Rogan podcast this deal as vice president of these

United States that if Democrats really don't think that there's any cheating, give us voter ID. >> I just don't know. >> Give us voter ID and we'll stop talking.

>> Why is that not a federal thing? >> We are trying to make it a federal thing. So, we are right now trying to pass the Save America Act. One of its main provisions is a requirement that

you do voter ID. And we actually have, I think, a majority of the Senate that would support it. But this is just weird Senate procedural There is a subsegment of people who want voter ID,

but won't blow up the filibuster in order to achieve it. And so they're so married to these oldw world Senate procedures that they're going to make it impossible for us to pass Save America.

Now we we are for what it's worth trying to fix that and trying to address these like weird procedural archaic things. It's insane though. Like if you ever Okay,

>> I'm sure you hear people talk about the filibuster all the time. I don't want to go too far down this rabbit hole. >> Here's what the filibuster is. It is a pure Senate rule. It is a creation of

the Senate procedures which basically says that anything that has to do with the budget is a 50 vote threshold and anything that everything else non-budgetary is a 60 vote threshold.

Now, as you can imagine, there's some gray area on things that maybe are count as budget issues and should be 50 or are not budget issues and count at 60. So what we have tried to persuade the

Senate to do is to treat the voter ID as something that can fall within the 50 vote threshold. And there is no law, there's no provision in the Constitution. It is legitimately that

there are senators who are so attached to the idea that budget is 50, non-budget is 60 that they're quite literally willing to prevent voter ID in America.

>> God, it's nuts, dude. It's it's so crazy >> and it's also like the idea that >> somehow or like Kathy Hol had the craziest take on it. Did you

>> She often does. >> Did you see her take on it? >> I have not. >> She was talking about black people in inner cities not even knowing what a

computer is. >> Did you ever see that? >> No, I didn't see that. >> Oh my god, it was so crazy. And then this one comedian, uh, this black

comedian did this hilarious video where he was like circling around a computer, staring at it, like touching it like he didn't know what it was. [laughter] >> It's just like, what are you talking

about? Everyone has a phone. That's a computer. >> So many of these Democratic talking points presume that their own voters are actual idiots.

>> That's actually there there's a big difference between, you know, Republicans, we sort of presume that our voters are adults. And you don't see that with a I'm not saying every

Democrat, of course, I don't want to cast too broad of a brush here, but it's it's like, you know, Gavin Newsome did this speech a few months ago. The president, I think it's the funniest

thing ever because he's like speaking to a group of black leaders and black businessmen, but it's like an audience that is 95% black. And they're asking him about his dyslexia and his struggle