1 Liberal Man vs 20 MAGA Women (ft. Dean Withers) | Surrounded

I think that we need strong alpha males like Donald J. Trump, Spencer Pratt, and our loved Charlie Kirk >> Did you just ironically say strong alpha males?

>> We have laws in favor of women getting leadership roles. We're taking opportunities away from men. You are oppressed more than me. >> Men are men, and men have testosterone,

and men love beautiful women, and trust me, I would prefer a man that actually looks at women and is sexually attracted to women. >> Dude.

>> They had to make things up to get Trump. Trump doesn't have to be a sexual predator. Any woman would love to be with Trump. >> All right, listen. Put your hand up if

you would have sex with Donald Trump. >> Has Donald Trump been a good president for women, or has America moved backward from expanding women's rights to debating how far those rights should go?

I'm John Regalado and from Jubilee Media, this is Surrounded, where one brave soul faces [music] a room full of disagree-ers. Today, we are diving into what feminism means on both [music]

sides of the aisle, abortion rights, and President Trump's record. I'm here with our [music] featured guest, progressive commentator Dean Withers. Welcome to the show.

>> Thank you for having me. >> You ready to go? >> Oh, I'm excited. This will be fun. >> All right, are you all ready to debate Dean?

>> Yeah! >> [cheering] [applause] >> All right, let's get it to it. >> I'm Dean Withers. I'm a 21-year-old

liberal. I do political debate for a living, and today, I'm surrounded by 20 Trump supporters again. But this time, they're all women. My first Surrounded claim is, men aren't

better at leading than women. >> If you would like to debate this claim, please get to the chair in 3 2 1. >> Good to see you again. >> Welcome back, Lori. How you doing?

>> I'm doing good. How are you? >> I'm doing phenomenal. So, the first claim is that men are not better at leading than women. And I'm honestly appalled that you as a woman would

disagree. But I mean, if you want to start it off by telling us why you do think men are better at leading than women, the mic is all yours. >> Well, how I would like to start this off

is I'd like you to define what a woman is. >> Well, sure. I think that the definition of what a woman is is ultimately irrelevant to this debate and I'm

willing to assume I'm willing to pre-assume your definition of what a woman is, i.e. an adult human female. See, if I were to give you my definition of what a woman is, an adult human

individual that pertains to the social and cultural characteristic typical that of a female sex index to their gender identity, well, then all of a sudden we're going to be speaking past one

another because we define the word woman differently. >> Exactly. So, you're bringing this problem up in the first place is kind of silly because you don't know what a

woman is. >> Well, I just told you what my definition of the word woman is. You just happen to overlook that. >> also depend on what leadership role that

that person would take. For instance, if you wanted Kamala Harris, who you voted for, to be the president of the United States, we have a problem with that and

I'll tell you why. It's not necessarily the woman, but it is necessarily foreign countries, for instance, the Middle East. If I go to a Middle East country as a woman, I can't show my hair at risk

of being stoned. >> we talking about Middle Eastern countries when the prompt is men are not better at leading than men? >> about leading. You voted for Kamala

Harris. I think she would been a horrible leader. Foreign countries don't always see women as respectful as they see a man. A woman leading this country, for instance, when you go to a doing

foreign policy and all of those things, they would not have the respect that a man would. I can also say as a woman, depending on your age, if I've got PMS, honey, I'm going to make different

decisions than I would as if I didn't. If I'm going through menopause, I might have hot flashes or whatever ever else. I believe as a Christian woman, men are supposed to lead. We're supposed to

help. And I'm totally comfortable with that. >> Okay, well, thank you, Lori. So, the first thing that I'll to point out here is that your position that maybe foreign

countries wouldn't respect a female president as much as a male president, I don't think is represented through the fact that on the global stage Harris had a significantly higher approval rating

than Trump during the election. And there's a reason for that. >> Cuz she would have been a pushover. They would have got They would have walked right over her.

>> And that's exactly why she had significantly better policy, better character, and would have been a better president for America. But ultimately, once again, Lori,

>> the topic of debate is not was Harris a better option for the president than Trump because even if we want to look at women and men on this macroscopic level of evaluating one woman compared to one

man, even if it was true Harris was a clown and Trump was awesome, that still wouldn't mean that generally speaking men are better at leading than women. The last point that you made there was

about PMS, and I think that you're like indicating that women are more emotional than men on average. >> They are. 100%. >> me why men commit 92% of violent crimes.

Tell me why they're more likely to self-harm and allowed to commit suicide. So, you think that testosterone is what makes men more emotional? >> Absolutely.

>> Okay, well then you just conceded the debate. >> No, I didn't concede the debate. >> that absolutely men are more emotional than men 5 seconds after saying that

women were more emotional than men. >> and that's kind of like a somewhat of a red herring because what I'm trying to say to you, women are more emotional. They just are in more of a

I can change my mind depending on my mood. Now, you're bringing in anger, you're bringing in violence, you're bringing in >> Is anger an emotion?

>> It is, but to a different extent. And honestly, if you've got a man that's violent, out of character alone, I don't want him leading the country. >> And that's why you voted for

>> Oh, yeah. You want to get into that? I know that's another problem, but I'm happy to get into that. >> we can get into that as well. >> accused. Never accused of

>> Okay, we got to we got to pause there. You've been voted out. Please return to your seat. >> Good to see you. >> Good to see you, Lori. If you would like

to be the next debater, please get to the chair in 3 2 1. Welcome. Welcome. >> Hi. >> I'm going to give the mic to you. Why

don't you tell us all why men are better at leading than women? >> Men are better at leading because as a woman, I can tell you that we're emotionally

uh manipulated very easy. We're tend to be compassionate cuz we as a woman and getting pregnant, it's in inherited in us. Why? Because we deal with babies. >> So, women deal with babies, therefore

women can be manipulated. I don't think that that argument follows. >> We're we're we're going to be easily manipulated. >> Women can be easily manipulated.

>> yeah. >> What's the argument for that? >> It's inherited in us. >> Okay, just saying that it's inherent is like me saying that what is actually

inherent of women is that they can't be easily manipulated. That doesn't give me any substance to underpin your position when you just simply underpin your position by saying, "Well, it's

inherent." And it doesn't push this dialogue forward. I would say that men are probably easier to emotionally manipulate than women, or else they wouldn't be culpable for 92% of violent

crimes. We could emotionally manipulate a man by making him lose a game of Fortnite. The next thing we know, there's three holes in his walls. All right, same thing with self-unaliving

statistics, suicide. Suicide's a really bad thing, but it is true that men are significantly more likely to kill themselves than women on average. Same thing with drunk driving, gambling. And

then when we look at women, they actually perform better in the fields that are less indicative of emotional outbursts, such as performing well in school. And I mean, this is all

underpinned by by biology. There was a study done by the American Medical Association that proved that if you're operated on by a female compared to a male in the operating room at a

hospital, that you're less likely to die or to experience any post-negative operative outcomes. Why? Because women are biologically designed to deal with stress and pain better than men because

they have thicker dendrites in their brain. So, ultimately, the science and the empirical facts completely reject the conclusions that you formed. >> Not at all. Men are more rational and

women >> All right, you've been voted out by the majority, so please return to your seat. If you want to be the next debater, please get to the chair in 3, 2, 1.

Hi. >> Hi. >> What's your name? >> Annette Davis-Jackson. >> It's a pleasure to meet you.

>> Yes, yes. >> So, uh let's hear it. Why do you think that men are better at leading than women? >> How about I know that men lead better

than women because women have the babies, you're emotional, but more important, I got I have a dad. I have a dad who was very strong and when I see what President Trump is uh embodying, I

say and I know that you can roll your eyes, but you know what? My grandmother used to say, "You can roll your uh cotton balls, but you sure can't shoot them." So, men are strong just like

Trump because in the first day first 100 days, what did he do? He started writing uh executive orders. >> Yeah. >> He started writing executive orders day

after day after day after day after day after day. Women would probably say, "Hey, let me take a break." That's why. >> Jesus Christ. Okay. Well, uh listen, clearly I disagree with you about Trump.

Uh but, that's actually not relevant to my counterargument. I'll tell you why. Because even if Trump was a good leader, that doesn't mean that therefore men are better at leading than women on average.

Like for instance, in the same way that you could give an anecdote of a man that you think is good at leading to justify the claim that men are better at leading than women, well, I could just give an

anecdote of the opposite. Hitler was a man, he was a terrible leader, therefore men are worse at leading than women. All right? But, clearly that's not how it works because we cannot attempt to uh

allow an anecdote of what we think about one individual man to then exist as a portrait for a generalization about all men. >> Why did you have to say Hitler?

>> Because he's obviously a bad leader that's a man. >> Yeah, and and >> The President of the United States, which is the commander-in-chief, Donald

J. Trump, is a great leader. >> Okay. >> And he's a great leader because because he won a landslide. >> Okay.

>> And if he could run again, he would run a landslide again. >> Yeah, yeah. Well, guess what? He's not, he's a terrible president, his policies suck. How about this? What's your

favorite Trump policy? I mean a bill passed through Congress then signed into law. >> I'm a former college coach and not having men and women sports.

>> what bill was that? >> Oh, no. >> Well, I'm sorry, what bill was that? I asked you a very specific question. >> to stop there. You've been voted out by

the majority. Please return to your seat. >> Okay. >> All right. If you want to debate this claim, please get to the center in 3 2

1. Hi Tracy. >> How are you? >> I think I remember you. Were you on my first Surrounded episode?

>> Maybe. >> Well, I'm going to pass the mic to you. Tell us why you think men are better at leading than women. It's uh it's worth me like reminding you and maybe

everybody else in the room that so far a lot of people who've come up and sat in that chair have really missed the mark. Like that last lady. She told me that men are better at leading than women

because she likes Trump. Okay, let's hear in general why men are better at leading than women. >> Well, this is why you're I think you're going to be surprised. I actually agree

with you. >> Then why are you in the chair? >> And I dis- I respectfully disagree with some of them. Well, I'm just saying some of the points that they were bringing up

about a woman being pregnant and because somebody's can carry a baby that they're not fit to lead. I mean, it's the same argument where we say men go to work and come home and the

woman stays and handles the household and the children. So, is that not a powerful position? And I also have to I'm I'm respectfully disagreeing here and I want you to give

me an example if you can tell me hypothetically of a woman that you think would be a better leader than Trump right now. >> So so just to clarify, you don't think

men are better at leading than women. >> No, no, D. Because if I'm in if I'm >> happy I'm really happy that you don't think >> I I I told you I agree with you, right?

>> want you and everybody else in the room to obviously not think that men are better at leading than women, but unfortunately, the nature of this Surrounded episode is where we have

disagree-ers in the hot seat. >> Yes, so I'm asking you. >> you're not though. >> So, if we're going if we're walking down a dark alley, let's say we're on

Figueroa or something, I would be the person having to protect you. I mean, everybody's built differently. I feel like I would have to be protecting you. I'm taller. I I'm

I'm sure I weigh more than you. Uh I mean you can take as many classes as you want. >> Wow. Yeah. >> But it's true, Dean.

>> I'm not Listen. >> Men and women are >> I'm not going to disrespect your ego the same way you're attempting to insult me, and that's fine.

>> No, it's just it's a size comparison. So, it it it depends on where this conversation is going. If you if you're looking at body type that I'm sorry, there are women

that are larger than men. >> vote her out because she doesn't think that men are better at leading than women? >> Tracy, it does sound like you agree on

this prompt. So, we're going to have you return to your seat and and bring in a dis-agreer. >> Okay. >> All right, if you disagree with this

claim and you want to be the next debater, please get to the chair in 3 2 1. >> Hi. >> Hello.

>> Your name's Julia? >> Julia Kate. So, I want to ask you inherent in your statement that men are not better leaders than women. >> Yeah.

>> There's the sense that you believe men and women are different, correct? >> I think that there's obviously distinctions between men and women or else we wouldn't have two different

words to refer to >> Okay. So, what are some of the distinctions? >> Well, I mean there's distinctions in the sense of cultural and social attitudes

and behaviors. There's going to be that are of course innate to men and women because I don't think that prescriptive I don't think that prescriptive gender norms exist. Now, like from your

perspective that we were to define the genders on the basis of sex, of course then there's going to be sexual dimorphism and there's going to be differences present within that. Of

course, like there's a plethora of differences. Listen, I'm not denying that there are differences between men and women because once again if there wasn't differences between men and

women, well then we wouldn't have two distinct groups. >> we agree on that. >> My claim is is I don't think that any of the differences that exist between men

and women would amount to being relevant to justify the claim that men are better at leading than women. And I'll actually ask you >> than at leading than men?

>> No, I actually think that gender's completely irrelevant >> Interchangeable is what you're saying. >> of if somebody is better at leading than the other person. I ultimately think

that there's going to be no determinative ability regardless of we're making the claim that men are better at leading than women or women are better at leading than men to ever a

that prescriptive claim. >> hearing is that >> and women are essentially interchangeable in your mind. >> Well, in my mind once again I just don't

believe in the proscriptive gender norms. And I think that ultimately one's gender is irrelevant to their leadership capabilities. If you can tell me what are the relevant differences between men

and women that make men better at leading than women. >> We can go back to the hunter and gatherers when men were the ones going out to hunt and women were the ones

staying with the children and gathering fruits and nuts. Men are the people that go towards risk, that go towards provision naturally. Why is it that in today's even our influencer community,

we have more women that are drawn towards beauty, makeup, things like family, schooling, and men are more drawn towards traditionally masculine things. It's innate in every culture

that you see this trend. We are hormonally different. That's been mentioned throughout this place. You as a man do not know what it's like to have a cycle, to have a period, to have your

hormones go up and down. >> Yeah. >> That is insanely significant for a woman's ability to lead. And women will complain about being scared to walk on

the streets at night and yet they'll elect the same politicians that release the criminals on the street. >> that women should lose the right to vote?

>> I think that we I'm not talking about that today. >> Can you just got to get a quick yes or no then we'll go back to the topic. >> need strong alpha males like Donald J.

Trump, Spencer Pratt, and our loved Charlie Kirk. >> Praise Jesus. >> Have secure borders, who will not let criminals on the street.

>> say strong alpha males? >> Strong alpha males, yeah. >> Bro, get a grip. Stand up. Listen. >> grip. You're a man. Do you want to mansplain to me?

>> Well, I mean actually you just said that men are better at leading than women. So you should listen every word that comes out of my mouth per your perspective, right? So if you think that men are the

strong alpha males and women are the emotional followers, why don't you follow my lead and listen to what I have to say? Because you don't believe what you say.

>> man. I believe that male and female are created equal in the image of God. We each have the same dignity and the same value. We have the same brain, the same rationality, but we have different and

distinct roles. >> Okay. >> Why is it that women can get pregnant? Only females can get pregnant. >> Well, of course that would boil down to

the physical biology that it >> Physical biology suggests that women are more geared towards child rearing and child raising than men are. >> So once again, the way that we started