Bryan Johnson _ This Past Weekend w_ Theo Von #644 [l8IHPKv7OCw]
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Today's guest is a longevity expert. He's a health advocate. He's basically his own guinea pig. You know? He's kind of the doctor and Frankenstein in a way.
He's an entrepreneur. He's been experimenting on himself, trying to beat the final chapter, the coffin. Yep. He wants to live forever, and we're gonna learn about it. I'm grateful to have a conversation today, which we gotta do quickly because I think he's gotta be in bed at, 4PM.
I'm very happy that he's here. Today's guest is mister Brian Johnson. Yeah. This lemon water, dude, I drink this a lot. I hear that it's good for inflammation.
Yeah.
And I do a lot of fasting. And so that's been something that on a fast, I will have this. Yeah. A certain amount.
I like the chunks of ginger, man. That's that's solid. Oh, yeah. Did you on those? No.
Yeah. Have you done that? Nuh-uh. It's it's good. I mean, it's
Is that a thing, chewing on ginger chunks? Yeah. Wow. Never even thought of that. What do you know exactly what it does?
You just feel the vibes of it.
Yeah. It's it's very strong vibe.
So Yeah.
Yeah. It's a nice reward at the end. Like, Lemmy gives you a punch in the face. Ginger does something similar.
Yeah. Maybe I'll throw one in the old
You feel better after doing it, though?
I just feel like I'm on on I have a plan, and then I'm sticking to it.
Isn't that so much of life is like that? I feel like, kinda doesn't matter if it works, but like if it's like a thing, it's structured, planned, kind of just the thing.
Yeah. Well, it starts to give me a little bit like of integrity with myself, you know, and it becomes kind of a pattern. That's been one of the toughest things I think for me. And and I would guess probably for most people is just starting a pattern sometimes. You know?
Yeah.
Yeah. I feel like that's kind of been one of the things.
Then it keeps you from the negative patterns.
Yeah. Well, it's like, well, if I know if I have this to do tomorrow and it's a positive thing, then sometimes it's like if there's something negative the night before or it's somewhat, I'm like, I can't do it. I already have a commitment. You know?
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. But it has been tough. I go in spurts where sometimes it's it's better than others, but honoring like commitments to myself, having that in you know, and and just building that integrity that I know I'm gonna be here for myself every day.
Yeah.
That's been a challenge for me. It's gotten better over time, but it's been a tough that's been probably one of my tougher things. I would imagine it might be for most for a lot of folks.
Yeah. Like, it's like the disconnect between, like, what you want to do and then what you actually do. Yeah. Which is like the the human condition. Like, what our existence is defined by.
And like, how how big is that divide probably determines if you're happy or not in life.
Yeah. I think you're right. I mean, that's one of the things that I think about the most is how far away am I from what I would like to be doing, what my behaviors would like to be.
Yeah. Where are at now in life? Like, I mean, you've gone through various stages. How would you assess now?
I think like with work, work and things like that have been good. You know, that stuff has been good. I think, you know, on the wellness side of like, probably emotional wellness, You know, I've suffered with like a or I've I've dealt with like a lot of like, connectivity disorders, like relationship stuff, commitment, you know, like, probably wishing I was making better choices with my, like, dating and social life at times. And, you know, sometimes if someone will show interest, I'll kind of I'll have to see what's there. Whereas, sometimes, if I know it's not even a good fit, you know?
So that's probably been one of the tougher things. It's probably been my emotional addictive behavior.
Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm I because I'm newly in a a partnership, the best relationship of my life. Really? We've been together for for a couple years now.
And, it is like I mean, it is the single thing in life that makes me more happy than anything. You know, like, it's relationships are so tough. And especially when they tip to acrimony.
What does acrimony mean?
Just like when it's a it's a negative state. You know, when there's like bickering and like finding fault and trying to correct and the inability to to resolve conflict, when there's a negative vibe and it just kind of persists in this low level where it's always unsettled, there's just nothing worse. And I mean, that's true in business relationships. It's true in personal relationships, friendships, all kinds. And like, what I have now is just so good.
Let's go.
Yeah. Yeah. So I I feel you. And without it, it I mean, it's tough to be alone. You know?
It's tough to be like trying to date, build relationships and not work out and go to the next one. It's tiring to like repeat that again and again.
Yeah. Yeah. I think that is that's that's definitely true. And then it's like you start to compartmentalize things. Okay.
Well, I'll just go on a date here. I'll just, you know, have this part of my relationship or intimacy here. And it's like, you know, and that's not that's not the healthiest way to operate either. But congratulations. Yeah.
They just show your lady right there.
Yeah. It's Ketolo. Oh,
beautiful lady, man. Congratulations. You guys are smiling in that picture too.
Oh, man. We we have so much fun together.
I mean,
we it's like I get teary just even talking about it. We laugh and play. It's just so good.
Yes. She really does something for you.
She does, man. Like, you know, like, I was, I wrote this up online. I was thinking I'm a big fan of Ernest Shackleton. And he was just a The explorer? Yeah.
Exactly. So he did the the trans, Antarctic expedition. He was trying to go pull, you know, short of shore for the first time.
And So from top to bottom?
For just down to the the South Pole from, like, one side to the other other side.
Okay. Just at the South Pole.
Yeah. So they got in the they got the ship all prepared. They got all their materials, you know, like, enough food and and materials for the entire duration. They get stuck in the ice before they even get there, early winter. And then the entire book is about this insane survival story.
Like, what they went through, and not a single man in his crew died. But when you read what he went through, it's just unimaginable that they were able to endure these kinds of things. And I know this is, like it's a too too dramatic of a comparison, but there was some similarities. Was thinking before, like, what does it feel like to not have deep companionship in my life? Where I've had relationships and they weren't good.
Right? They ended up being bad. And then having something that is good, it felt like I'm sure what Shackleton and his crew felt like putting their feet on land after being adrift in the ocean for, you know, I don't know what the total duration of time is, maybe a year, but just like stable, sturdy, solid, you know, instead of like, what's happening today? What do I have to deal with? Is my life at risk?
Like, just all the emotional whiplash you get and like challenges certainly. And when you're by yourself, it's also harder to self regulate. It's harder to calm yourself down. It's nice when someone else is there to kind of be like a Oh, get a hug. Yeah.
A 100%.
Oh. Yeah. I got hug the other day. I I was I saw my friend in in LA, and I got a hug, and and she just kinda gave me like a she gave me a nice hug. Yeah.
And then I was like, I'm gonna stay in this hug.
Let me just yep.
Like, throw in there. Phone.
Yeah.
Yeah. Oh.
Yeah. Yeah. So, like, was she like a 10 out of 10 hugger?
She you know what? She surprised me because but, yeah, she got she got a good hug on her. That's for sure.
You know, some people are just like gifted huggers. They right? They just know how to, like, bring it in and, like, somehow the arm from the chest and, like, the whole thing just fits like a puzzle piece.
Yeah. Like, even like a lot of times. Yeah. We talked about before, like, a grandmother will hug you so well. Yeah.
Sometimes yeah. I've, like, I've always kind of, I guess, been that I'll do the one arm hug. I hug a lot, though. I hug a lot. I think sometimes it catches people off guard.
People like Yeah. What's going on, man? Yeah. I
don't just want to hug this person. But open up a hug bank. You know what they should do? Yeah. Those places where they had pay phones before, they should have somebody stand there, put a quarter in their pocket, and they got a hug, you know?
It's like one of the most underappreciated things.
Yes. Relaunch the hug. I think they got it. Well, I think we're ready for it. Brian Johnson, thanks for coming in, man.
Yeah, man.
Thanks for to meet you, bro.
Yeah. It's good to see you.
It's a pleasure, dude. I think you're different than maybe what I seem like you. I thought you would seem a little bit more like a robot.
You know, I get that so much. I mean, p I've had several people think know, approach me like, are you AI? You know, like, like, really believing that's the case. So I I think I am robotic. I think I'm somewhere neurodivergent in in some areas.
So I think people are just confused by me generally. So I I understand that.
Like, yeah, that was my thought. But it you seemed way more normal than that. Like, just like a regular dude who's been, like, you know, doing wild shit with his blood. You know? Like, you know, you seem just more like a like a chill ass kind of Dracula type of a
What was your what did you expect?
I think I'd expected somebody that seemed to be honest to have a like, more of a sense of and this is just a wild generalization, and this is probably not the best word, but more of like an autism to them.
Yeah.
And I don't yeah. I didn't get that at all. I just got like a warm guy, who seems like a lot more engaging than other people I've met who I've thought similar things about.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just it's just hiding. It will manifest in a few minutes.
Yeah.
I was gonna saying. When it starts to bubble up
That's right. Yeah.
When your keeper, whoever's operating you on an on the app
That's right. Yeah. Yeah.
Just turns up and turn.
The mask slowly starts slipping. It's like
Oh, yeah. Like your database is showing, dude,
or something. Yeah. Exactly.
So just so our viewers know, so many people know about you now, man. There's so many clips you out there. You've kind of you're kind of this astronaut that hasn't left the planet in a way, kind of. Because it's like, you know, you're kind of using yourself as an experiment. That's what it seems.
You know, you're life maxing. That's what people say. Can you just explain to us kind of what your general sort of goal is, or what your motive has been?
Yeah. So I'd say, here's an example for you. In in 1870 Mhmm. The big talk of the town was there was this divide over this guy who had ideas that the reason why Ideas? Yeah.
Okay. Around the reason why people were getting sick and dying is because of these microscopic objects called bacteria. And half the town was like, that's stupid as fuck. What are you talking about? The other half was like, honestly, that could be legit.
Now, like, they didn't have the ability to see these microscopic objects. It turned out, it's true. These microscopic objects are called bacteria. Right? They can cause infection.
So if you don't wash your hands in between surgery, or when you're maintaining hygiene practices, you get infection and risk increase your risk of dying. And so that's the kind of example where a new idea showed up. It was seen as crazy. And, eventually, it turned out to be true. And now, today, we're like, oh, of course, like
That happens every every year.
Every year. Yeah. Exactly. And so the idea I'm basically suggesting to the world is that we've reached a point of humans on the planet where we may not die. Now that sounds batshit crazy.
Whereas in we can live forever.
Not even forever. Right? Because it's a kind of concept we understand. It's just that we might be able to extend our lifespans to horizons where we can't really imagine. For example, like, January, 200, 500, a thousand, like, some number we don't even know Mhmm.
That breaks our brains. So it's just not like a seventy year expectancy. Right? It's something much longer. And it could be the case that as our lifespans are extended, they get longer and longer and longer and longer.
We can't quite see the end horizon. So that's what I'm suggesting is we are at that point with technology. We may be the first generations of humans who don't die. Now if that's the case, everything changes. And so that's what I've been trying to do is to say that if that is the case, how does a human behave?
What do they do? And so that's the whole that's why it's so controversial is because you take status quo and it's like, if we're all gonna die anyways, well, bro, you might as well, right, like do all the stuff people do today.
Right. Drink PBR or whatever, floor it, you know? Send it.
You know? Exactly.
Yeah. Knock up some woman or man now. I think you can even knock up. You're like, what's happening? Yeah.
But I see what you're saying. So, like, if you if you say if you got to the finish line and like, oh, you can't cross the finish line anymore. You're like, oh, if I'd have known that, would have ran the race
Exactly right. So differently. Exactly. Or back at night night, you
I would have taken my time along the race. Instead, now I'm just standing there at the finish line decrepit or, like, with, you know, just, like, aftermarket pieces and stuff. Yeah. And, and I would have done it differently.
That's right. So, like, right now, like, you basically, if everybody dies, then you're playing a game of YOLO. And so then your game of YOLO is like, okay, what am I willing to well, I'm willing to trade life for what? And so, for example, in the world I came from, entrepreneurship, the playbook is you don't sleep, you don't take care of your health, you run yourself ragged, you try very hard to make a whole bunch of money, but in doing that, you burn yourself to a crisp. Yeah.
Right? And then you end up and you're like fat, You're like forty years older than when you started.
Your family's falling apart. You're a crisp or you don't have one.
Exactly. But you're just burnt to a crisp. That's what happened to me. And so you basically say, I'm willing to trade life for this money because there's this idea of if you have money, then you get blank. And so you're making this explicit trade off.
I'm willing to trade my conscious existence for money. And I'm saying that trade no longer makes sense. It no longer makes sense to die for something like that. Now we all have, like, practical things. We need to pay our bills and stuff like that, but I'm trying to basically say we're we're a society that has built a society of die, and I'm working on don't die as the new way of being human.
So that's, like, the gist of
But is it do you think it's easier to say that once you have some money and once you have like a you know, you have a place where you're like, okay, you know, I know that I'm gonna be okay. Like, it's like, do you think you would have been able to switch that mindset before having because then you got a company and you guys sold it for, you know, a a great deal of money
and Yeah.
Congratulations. Thanks. And and yeah. And that's, that's the American dream, you know? But do you think you would have been able to have that same mindset before?
Because that mindset before is like, yeah, grind, get this money, everything will be good. And it kind of is nice in some ways because there's a goal there. Yeah. Do you think you could have had it before or is it easier to have now?
Yeah. Mean, there's there's two parts to this. One is I'm saying that, like, fast food companies like McDonald's and Wendy's, they're evil. They use science to make food that addicts you to their food. Right?
They're building addiction.
For
sure. Social media algorithms, they're building addiction. Right? Vape, porn, alcohol, smoking, like basically, as a society, we have a predator prey relationship where companies prey upon individuals with the best science and technology possible and extract from them life for profit. Mhmm.
And so first of the observation I'm saying is, hey, companies, stop being evil. Like, don't use your powers to make people addicted, to make them you know, to take their life from them. Mhmm. And then two is, it's don't wanna blame people because I know that's I that's it's easy for me to say this once I've been on the other side. So one, I'm just trying to say like, hey.
This this is fucked up. Right. Number two is I try to be a really positive role in people's lives to say like, if you're ambitious and you do wanna make a whole bunch of money, for example, here's a playbook. Right? Like, the idea that you're better off working eighteen hours a day and sleeping four is just scientifically wrong.
Ah, I got it. Right?
So like, if you're gonna work really hard, make sure you get eight hours of sleep, make sure you do a little bit of exercise, eat well, but you're not gonna be doing yourself a favor if you're eating trash. Right? Not sleeping well and not working out. Like, it makes your system like, for an engineer, it means like nobody wants to write shitty code. If you don't take care of yourself, you are shitty code.
It's like, don't be shitty code and try to build life. Mhmm. And so those are the two things. But I I wanna be very clear. Like, I'm not blaming people.
We just live in a fucked up think it sounds
like that.
We live in a fucked up society. Yeah. And I'm trying to call attention to the fact that, like, like, the system you're playing in is not a good one.
And it's heavily stacked against people. It is especially if there's a lot of things where it is addiction based. Like, oh, they know there's so much information now of how to get you addicted down to the molecule, down to, like, the moment of what you're looking at on your phone.
Yeah.
That it really is a war. It's a battle for your preservation. It's like it used to be that, you know, the man had to wake up and he was he had to know where the predator was, where the apex predators are. Yeah. And now the apex predators are in they're, you know, they're in our homes.
They're in our hands. And it it really is. It's Yeah. It's still a it's a battle. And that is a battle.
It's like if you wanna take it on. And then some days and moments and some people's lives are like, you know, I don't really wanna take that battle on. And that's kind of okay too. But I think knowing that the battle is there is pretty Yeah. At least makes it that all the cards are on the table.
Yeah. Yeah. I saw that you recently, you did a social media fast, right?
Yeah, I did.
Yeah. Take me through some of that. What was that like?
Yeah. So, at first, I love social media. I think it's so much fun.
We have great stuff on X. It's like you can't even scroll through X without finding something that's great from Brian Johnson. And a lot of it's really great information too. Oh, here's the voice. Right?
I did a forty hour and then a seventy hour social media pass. I've come to believe that social media is pollution.
Yeah. So first of all, you know, in watching your Netflix specials, like, what I what I love about watching that is you can say anything. Right? Like, the shit you talk about is so is so unhinged. Like, literally, there's, no I maybe you felt material where you're like, probably shouldn't include that one, but, like, I couldn't detect it.
Oh, yeah. I like just saying shit. And so because that's what you're supposed to be able to do.
Exactly. So, like, what I love about that is the elbow room you have. Right? There's like, when you look at existence, you say like, my my goal is to entertain you, and I have all this open space. But then when people don't have that when you when you don't have comedy as the outlet, and you're playing in society, people sit in a very narrow box.
They feel like they can only say certain things. If they step outside that, they get punished by the tribe. Right? Like, for whatever reason. And so what I love about social media is it just has enabled me to create elbow room.
Like, I posted nudes of myself. You know? Like, we did the blood tran the the plasma transfers. Like, we we basically have done enough things. I did I did magic mushrooms on a livestream.
Yep. That's what really made me think, oh, I really wanna talk to this guy now because he's going into other realms. Yeah. And before we get into some of that, what were some of the findings from the social media fast, or do you think it was long enough to to notice anything?
It was. Honestly, it was kind of life changing. It was I did one fast that was 40 long, and then I did a second fast that was seventy hours long. And, the science behind this is when you're engaged in social media, you basically have dopamine dysregulation. Right?
Like, you're in this addiction state, and you don't realize it, but it's actually creating all kinds of harm, and then you engage with social media to feel normal again. And then once you pull out of it and you have that break, you kind of get you're out of the spell. You're not hypnotized anymore, and then you get to feel it for what it is. So now that I pull up the feed, it feels toxic. Like, it feels like I've had a fast food meal or like I've had I'm in a secondhand room of secondhand smoke or like it just feels so bad.
And I guess that I I, pay attention to these feelings because over the past five years, I've been doing like hundreds of experiments to my body. Like, what things make my body rejuvenate and what things make my body die. So I have this intuition I've built. And now when I go into social media, it, like, literally feels like death. And so it's complicated, though, because I love social media.
I love to post. I love to play. I love to interact. But also, when I get on, it's like I'm like, nah. This is not good.
So honestly, it's complicated. I don't know what to do.
Yeah. There's a thing I noticed if I've taken mushrooms before and you'll look at your phone, it's like, oh, get that away from me.
Yeah. You feel it. Right?
Yes. It's like, oh, that's not real. That's not that's the most unnatural thing. Like, what is that? It all yeah.
It's it feels like a kryptonite. Or if I've done Ayahuasca or been on Ayahuasca and you're coming in and I see my phone or I'll get home and turn on the TV, I'm like, oh, get that thing away from me. That is something that's just resonating, like something dark.
Yeah. Isn't that interesting? Like, in those moments when you feel sober, it's like you do you can viscerally feel it. Yeah. But then once you get in there and you kind of play around for a while, you don't you lose that sensitivity Mhmm.
And you feel normal again. But, yeah, it's I think and so what's been resonating is I've I've been so I posted this on social. I said because a lot of people think that social media is like a vice or like a, you know, a bad habit, but I reframed it and said, actually, I think it's pollution. It's like microplastics or lead in the pipes or, asbestos in the wall or, like, you know, lead in the gasoline. I think it really is like a societal pollution.
It accumulates in the body. It creates low grade low grade inflammation. And I've been sharing this, so many people are like, I feel this. But they the problem is you can't like, telling someone to turn it off is like telling someone to not breathe coal smoke in London in the nineteenth century. Yeah.
Like, you you can't do it. Or, you know, the if there's if there's if there's water pollution, like, the solution for water pollution in London in the nineteenth century was not to say don't drink water. It was, to filter the water. Right. So I think the solution here is, like, I propose this, that if if people could build AI to basically create a layer of protection between me and the Internet, like me and the and the social feed Mhmm.
Extract out all the performative metrics, extract out all the the garbage, all the slop, and then give me the goodness. But I want someone to like, it'd be cool if someone could build, social media into a longevity therapy versus, like, hey. Actually, a cigarette.
Oh, I see what you're saying. Like, make it a long slow fire that has, like, all a mix of things.
Like, help me when I engage with it, I wanna feel good. I wanna feel like I've drank, like, you know, lemon water and ginger.
Right. As opposed to, like, having a couple of Cokes.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. You can slam a bunch of energy drinks and
Oh, yeah. Dude, my friend keeps a five hour energy drink in his sock. Yeah.
I know. Like, this is the thing, but this is like right? People pound, like, two to three to four a day, like, between, you know, four hundred and eight hundred milligrams of caffeine, and they like on top of modafinil or something. You know? So it's like
And kids are doing it. Kids will get an energy drink before school. I'm like, what are you? Yeah. Dude, your grades are bad.
Yeah. You know It's not even performing. Yeah. What are you doing?
Even doing over there, dude? You think yeah. You just because you're reading the fucking crucible or whatever, I gotta get you another Celsius or something. Oh, it says, hey. Hey.
Social media users visibly decline one or two points in attractiveness. I seven. Oh, yeah. I saw you said something that social media even can make us uglier.
Yeah. It
does. This is the post, really?
Yeah. Yeah, this is good science. Because like, when you engage heavily in social media, you're basically, you have higher depression, higher anxiety, you've got more inflammation, you sleep more poorly. So, these are all things that when the body is in that condition, you just look worse. So, yeah.
So heavy social media users lose, at least a point or two on the attractiveness scale. Like, you may go from a seven to a five. Mhmm. So, yeah, it does legitimately affect, appearance.
Yeah. And I think everybody kinda starts at an eight. That's what I think. If you brush your teeth, you're
an eight. Yeah. You're right. Right. And you're nice, you're like 8.5.
Yeah. And you give a good hug, you're like nine.
Oh, you're already halfway there. Yeah. And then the rest is just the Lord and if your parents if they were tens. Wow. That's kind of yeah.
Because I, this is interesting because I do notice like, first of all, I'll say to people, I noticed this now. I'll say to people, hey, I'm going go into my phone for a second. Right? So it's almost like I'm telling you, I'm letting you, almost it's like, yeah, I'm gonna have a cigarette. It's like the same sort of thing.
Yeah. Then now it's gotten to me. Sometimes I'm just so sick of of watching socials. It's just like, I'll look at a few things and it's just like, oh, this isn't how this isn't doing anything anymore. That started the the thing too, is I don't even this doesn't feel like it's doing anything anymore.
Yeah. And then that the algorithm that you know somebody's behind it kinda queuing up what is next, it doesn't leave that, as much of a whimsicalness about it. You know? That's right. Somewhere over the rainbow, there's a moon.
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You own important disclosure at acorns.com/theo. Oh, yeah. I saw this this one tweet that's just getting a lot of attention that I saw. Mobile phone short video uses negatively impacts attention functions. Yeah.
An EEG study says, one thing I do feel like is that there should be accountability for whoever's making the algorithms. Like, cause there's been kids who get affected and then they watch stuff, and then they might consider self harm. Right? Yeah. Or people who you're curious about one video, but then it serves you seven others.
Yeah. And now you have a strong take about a group or about a person or anything.
Yeah.
So it's like, shouldn't the creator of the algorithm like if I make something and I give it to you Yeah. And I know it's bad and poisonous Yeah. Know, there should be you should be somewhat accountable, it feels like. I know there's just now a court case or wasn't Zuckerberg just in court?
Yeah. Yeah. In LA.
Here we go. Mark Zuckerberg grilled about underage Instagram users' social media addiction during landmark trial. In his first time testifying about child safety in front of a jury, Zuckerberg said the company does not seek to make Instagram addictive to younger users, pushing back against claims that the social media app is designed to be harmful to children. I'm focused on building a community that is sustainable. If you do something that's not good for people, maybe they'll spend more time short term, but if they're not happy with it, they're not going to use it over time.
I'm not trying to maximize the amount of time people spend every month.
This is why I was saying that I I wanted to reframe because when people talk about social media Mhmm. Typically, the blame is on the person. The person spends too much time on social media. Right? They need to be more disciplined.
They need to set limits. And when you reframe this and you say, actually, social media is a pollutant. It's like comp some company manufacturing cigarettes or asbestos or lead or, like, when you reframe it that way, it's what you said is this is a pollutant driving society that it is making society depressed, anxious, lose focus. Right? Having all sorts of negative psychological and and physiological implications.
When you reframe it that way, it changes the blame from the individual to, like, you can't reasonably expect people to want to be part of the tribe, to want to be part of a friend group, and then put them in a system like the it's like lead in pipes. Water is in the pipes, but also lead is too. So it's like you you can't the solution is not so people can get off the phone. You have to do some kind of filtering or something because it's it's poisonous right now.
Yeah. I think it's a great way to say it. Yeah. That it's a pollutant. Right?
And people say, well, just get off your phone, but our society has gotten to the place where it is on our phone. We live in an electronica society in a digital age. So it's, yeah, if you have a neighbor next door who is a company that's just, like, blowing, like, you know, those smokestacks that they never did that they never had any, governors on, and they were just pouring horrible smoke into the air. Yeah. Those were held liable.
So it makes sense that these would be too. The case filed in Los Angeles Superior Court, involves over 1,600 plaintiffs, including families and school districts suing Meta, YouTube, which is TikTok and Snap. KGM claims features like infinite scrolling, notifications, and beauty filters create addiction, exacerbating body image, depression, and suicidal thoughts. Yeah. Some of the key moments, Zuckerberg denied meta aims to addict youth, stating his focus is on a sustainable community where unhappy users won't stay long term.
Grilled on underage users and AR beauty filters despite internal concerns, he emphasized balancing free expression and well-being, saying you don't really build social media apps unless you care about people being able to express themselves. I don't know if that's true anymore. You know?
You know what it feels like is, in physics, there's this idea, like a a phase transition. So So when water is at 99 degrees Celsius, it's a solid. When it's a 101, it's a a vapor. Mhmm. So just a very small change.
It's not gradual. It just snaps. That's a phase transition. It feels to me like social media is heading towards a phase transition where there's, like, all this built up all these built up problems that are over like, about to go from 99 c to a 101 c, and it just snaps. And and society is like, we can't.
Right. We can't do it anymore. Like, it's too much. Like, we're all fucking broken from this thing. Right.
It's gotta stop. And, like and I don't think these things are cool because they don't happen gradually. Like, it's just suddenly overnight. Yeah. So I I would love that if, somehow there was a snap and we could all get back our sanity.
Right. Like, with UGG boots. Like, when people were like, oh, these are great and Tom Brady was wearing them, then one day people were like Done. Yeah. Yeah.
The shits we hear. Yeah.
People will be so relieved to not feel like because right now, when
Oh, dude. They came out with a rule right now and said on your phones won't even work on Saturday and Sunday, I think the entire world would exhale. A 100%.
That it's also true, like, on, like, grind culture where the expectation is you have to work twenty hours a day.
Get up and fucking grind, mom.
It's like in this expectation
Keep your eyes open. Yeah. I know. Keep looking at invoices.
It's like we're, like, driving ourselves insane as a species. It's like we're losing our shit, and, like, it's it's right there in front of us. Yeah. It's all these expectations. And if it would be it would be amazing.
I love that. Like, the phones don't work. It's like, goddamn. Let's let's celebrate.
I yeah. I think and I think people would. Yeah. They don't even work. Good.
Fuck them. I think one day if people take over a business or, like, people, like, storm the capital. Dude, storm T Mobile. Storm these towers and just bring them down. Free us from what this these it's digital chains Yeah.
Yeah. Where we're locked, you know?
And you know, when it's people when people, are not with the tribe, they experience it as physical death. Because we're we are evolved to live in a group of a 150 people or less Mhmm. To be seen by the tribe. And when you're on social media, if you're not posting on social media, you're not seen by the tribe. Mhmm.
So it feels literally like death. That's why you can't just say like, don't be on your phone. Because you're like you your body's like, am I dead to the tribe?
Right. Do I even exist? Yeah. You feel like that. Yeah.
If I take a couple months off, will people know, do I exist? What's even going on?
So therefore, you're forced into this performative existence of like, hey, guys. I exist. Remember me? Like, put me over here. Like, remember?
I'm part of the tribe. So it's just it's such a a a violent and abusive relationship of this game that no one wants to play. I mean, like, it is fun. Like, there's value to it. There's good information.
Like, there's I don't wanna say there's not virtues to it. But the way it's structured now, it's just like a, a loss for society overall.
Yeah, dude. Well, there's just things that I you would miss, bro. Sitting there at home wondering if a chick thought about you or not.
Yeah.
Bro. Yeah. And here's the thing. Now you can just find out immediately she's liking some other dude. You see that she's already married or whatever.
But back in the day, you couldn't do that. So you just had to and you thought that she did. So you were, like, hopeful and excited. You would just you would take care of yourself till the next time you saw her. But now you'll just go see something like, oh, she's out with Rick or whatever.
So I'm now I'm depressed. Now I'm at home. Now I'm not even gonna get out of bed. Yeah. You know, I think just those things.
And then the the also, like, the negative effects of just, like, if you communicate with all types of people all day, then when you finally see, like, your spouse or your partner at the end of the day, you're kind of burnt out sometimes. You know? You're burnt out because you've had all this odd connection that's not real connection. Yeah. But it's it's a some artificial connection.
It's like if you've been eating Fritos all
day That's right.
And then you get to dinner, you're like, oh.
Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. This looks so good, but Yeah.
I'll I'll I'll I'm just I I can't even have any right
now.
I'm already full of shit.
So we with this project, we have been so basically What project? My project don't die.
Oh, your project don't die.
Yeah. So, like, basically, like, the idea is if if we are the first generation who won't die Mhmm. Then the goal is, like, identify things that make you die, and then don't do those things. Right? Try to eliminate them.
So what you're talking about, at the end of the day, when you're like, I don't know what it is, but I just feel like shit. Right. Then it's so it's basically, it's the stacking of all these things that make you die. For example, did you know this that when you walk into a fast food place like McDonald's, you have the smell that that you you right? When you walk in?
Mhmm. That is like secondhand smoke. It's the aerosol aerosolized oils.
Yeah. So like That's Ronald McDonald's cologne, man.
It is. It's cologne.
That shit is Wow.
Creepy. You know what? That's creepy as fuck.
Wow. Creepy. Because you got that play place in
the back. Oh my god. That is that is dystopian. Holy shit. I didn't think about that.
It is.
So, like, that is one example. So we track 250 things in our society that make me die. And so and and and when you go about your day
With this project.
Go with it. Exactly.
So you guys track 250 things that make you die.
Yeah. So, basically, when I started doing this, we said, okay. Like, I'll be the first generation who won't die. Okay. Let's take that as a premise.
Okay. So then I hired a team of doctors, and we got to work. And so we we went through all the scientific evidence. We said, like, what does the scientific evidence say about, longevity and things that make you die? And then I measured every organ in my body that I could.
Like, we would go through and say, what is the age? So I I was 42 years old when we started. Mhmm. So I said, what is the biological age of my heart? Because your biological age can be different than your chronological age.
Okay.
So for example, like my ear, my left ear is age 64 because I shot a lot of guns as a kid, listened to loud music. Okay. So it's impaired. So we measured all of my organs and said, like, here's my baseline. And then we got to work, like doing therapies and measurement.
And so I became those measured person in human history. There's more data on my body than any human's ever lived. Wow. And so in doing that, we just found out, like, what kills the body? You know, like, do microplastics harm the body?
If so, how? You know? Like, do does going into fast food, like aerosolized? Does that, like social media. And so when you it really resonates when you say you go home, like, you don't know why you feel like shit.
But after doing this for years, I know why. It's like the stacking of all these things Mhmm. That society has done to make a profit, and then it's just like you're the collateral damage. But, like, we've built a society of die. Mhmm.
And that's what sucks about it. So I'm I never wanna approach it to say, hey, you individual. Like, you get off your phone or you stop doing these things. It's like the system's broken.
Right.
And that's what's cool about this moment is if we do see this moment is like this is like 1870, bacteria is present. Do we believe this crazy idea or not? Like, this could be like it would change everything. So so, like, we transform ourselves as a society.
I love that idea because, yeah, when you put it like that, it gives you more of a hope. It gives it more of like a this universal type of thing that's going on. And I feel that. I feel like there's a lot of people questioning everything right now. Like, is this good for me?
Why did I believe all these companies? Why did I believe that the government and the FDA and the EPA that they were looking out for me? They it's obvious now from Yeah. So many trials and, and corporate, interests that they weren't. You know?
There's all these there's there's all these things that that that none of that was happening. And so now it's back on us. And what do we really want? Right? Yeah.
Because we put the faith. I think a lot of people have put the faith in the hands of their government and, not entirely, but you would just assume that, oh, yeah, the food they're letting come into us into our lives Yeah. Where we pay taxes to make sure there's an agency that overlooks this, that it's gonna be okay for us. Yeah. And then I think it's at the point now where people that that idea is totally spoiled.
So where do we go from here? Are those powers going to try to, like, imprison us into this space, which also feels like it's gonna Yeah. They're trying to. Because you have, like, companies like Bayer and Monsanto that are lobbying, you know, like, to keep all these things in our food and and make sure that people can't sue if they do get sick? Or is it gonna be that there's some sort of a of a revolution?
Yes.
So I saw you just you just asked Trevor to pour your coffee into, and that was out of
a paper cup into A yeah. It's a stainless steel.
Yeah. Okay. What is the cause of that? Because that's one thing a lot of people were thinking of. What's So
there's a lot of there's been a lot of discussion around microplastics. Yeah. You know, like, they're everywhere. They're our clothes. They're in our food.
Like so, we did this, project where we said, okay. Can we measure microplastics in my body? And so we did a few things. One is we measured microplastics in my blood, and we measured microplastics in my semen. Okay.
And so two distinct, biological systems. And we wanted to look at semen because fertility is really important. We want to psych because there was a few studies that showed that one hundred percent of tested males
Of tested men? Men Okay.
Have microplastics in their balls
Oh.
And their semen. And so we wanted to basically pose this question, could we do anything in life that would lower my microplastic burden in my body, in my blood, and on my semen? And so we did a few things. Like, one is, cups they use for, you know, hot coffee, they leach microplastics. The heat causes the leaching of microplastics.
So when you're drinking that coffee, you're you're consuming microplastics. And so we did that plus a whole bunch of other things to reduce it, and we dropped my microplastic burden by 87% Wow. In both blood and semen. And so that was a big win for us because no one in the world had ever demonstrated that, that you could look at both those things and look at the remediations. And the second thing we saw is we think that part of the reduction was from the things we did like removing plastic cups, you know, plastic cutting boards, like trying to remove plastic from the house Mhmm.
Then also dry sauna. We think dry sauna was potentially we're not sure. Potentially the cause of reducing microplastics in the body overall. So it's kind of if this the example of where if you hear a headline of, like, toxin, like microplastic is scary, we try to lay out a clear path of, like, you can do these things to reduce your exposure and to bring your levels down. So we do that systematically over, like, a whole bunch of things.
But, yeah, that's why I basically try to avoid any material that would be warmed and leach microplastics, whereas stainless steel, you don't have that leaching problem.
Got it. And what about using just our microwaves and stuff like that? Are there microplastics in there? I hear recently that there's microplastics in our air fryers and stuff like that. Is that stuff true, or is that just a a sales pitch for them to get you to get a new air fryer?
Yeah. I mean, if your air fryer I was looking at your air fryer recently. I think a lot of them are made with plastic. And so you're you're heating these materials to to certain degrees where you're inevitably going to have off gassing of microplastics. So and I know this is the thing.
It's like, once you start once you realize that plastic is a target, you realize you come to learn it's in everything. No. Like, everywhere you look. So even now, like, after I've tried to purge my life from plastic, I will still like, for example, here's an example. I was doing sauna to try to rid my body of toxins, including microplastics.
Mhmm. I mistakenly used a towel that was 10% polyester and 90% cotton. So there I am trying to rid myself of toxins, and I'm using it on my body. Alright? Oh, why the polyester.
Right? I'm, wiping my body with toxins. So, like, you know, like, that was an idiotic, mistake. But, like, an example, like, we're always we're just finding this forever. So I got rid of all the I thought that was a cotton towel.
It wasn't, but we got rid of that, but it's just forever. It's it's amazing how omnipresent they are.
Yeah. I've actually been working with, this company, American Giant, that they make, they've tried to use just American cotton and make their products just in America. Like, that's I mean, just top to bottom America only company Yeah. That makes, textiles or clothing because they don't really even have those anymore.
Yeah.
I remember their journey was how how do we even get a shirt made here? And it was seemingly impossible. Because we don't have the looms or so many things we don't have. But we've been working on a cotton, like a cotton only underwear that would be, just so it's only cotton. Right?
So you're not dealing with anything else.
That's awesome.
What fabrics have you found that are okay to kinda keep on your body that do not have microplastics in them, and which ones are the ones that people need to be wary of?
Yeah. There's a list. So, I mean, one is on the cotton stuff is we were we've everything I put into my body, we test. Like, all the food I eat. So we were testing clothing, and actually, we tested a diaper, a diaper where the portion of the diaper that absorbs the urine for the baby.
We tested that, and it was, like, eight times as high in glyphosate. So so so cotton unexpectedly
That's what's in the pesticides. Exactly.
So so cotton is is better than, like, a polyester, but cotton is also not like, it's not just pure. Right? So there could be residual, pesticides in your cotton. Like, how fast they come out, we don't know. But this is like I this is, dangerous because I think a lot of people listening are kinda like, oh my god.
I give up. But, like, what do I do? Right. But, like, I I wanna give you hope. Like, you you just slowly peel back one layer after another after another, like, chip away.
It's okay. Like, we'll get off we'll get on top of this. But just like just know that there's always these layers. So yeah. So we tested that, and so that's in the diaper.
Now there's no evidence that glyphosate can go from a diaper into the skin. No one's tested it, so maybe it is. But if it is, that's terrible. We're bathing our children. You know, we're bathing their private parts in pesticides in these diapers.
And so, like, this is the kind of thing where I'm saying, like, once you start chasing these these paths, you just find out society has built itself for profit. They've not built itself for life. And that's what you see everywhere. And so back to this conversation you you the point you made before of, like, this idea of care. Like, think of okay.
Here's a question for you. Who in your life unquestionably acts in your best interest? Like, without doubt without a doubt, they act in your best interest.
Probably my brother.
Like, you could probably count on one hand. Right? Yeah. Everyone else, like, whether it's, a social group or whether it's companies or the government or whatever, everybody else shows up with a complicated set of objectives. Part of it may be, like, it's not good, but the whole bunch of other the wrapper behind it may be, they want something from you.
And so there's this idea of care that I'm trying to pioneer with the company I'm building around this is, can we legitimately, unquestionably, always act in our customers' best interest? Even if it means we lose money, we always show up for you. Because that's really, like, what what I've been trying to do in this whole process, but it just shows that as a society, we don't have care as a principle as our society. Like, you're not expected to actually act in someone's best interest. You're expected to have a better exchange to make profit.
Well, sometimes I'll romanticize. Well, it probably used to be that way. Mhmm. And I don't know if that's true or not. But the fact that we're at that place now, I think, is important.
We did this thing this this year around the holidays where we've tried to find 10 American companies that were, like, American made products and and then show those off, like, highlight those. It was me and Mike Rowe. And it was just so you if you wanna buy something that's America, you can get it. He you know, this is something that you when you buy it, you're supporting a fellow American. So it's like, screw these big company.
Like, if if I buy from you and you buy from me Yeah. Then we keep each other alive. We we're it only, you know, so we're trying to start to create this, this space where you can do that, where it's like, if I wanna buy something, I'd rather instead of going to look at like these things that are the the same shelves in every single place, why don't I go find this unique thing that's only made by one of my fellow human beings? You know?
That's a cool idea.
It's one of the things that's kind of made me most excited recently, like in the world. And we're trying to work with like Shopify or something. You know, some company to come along and be like, well, these are the sites, you know, people are gonna need these sites to build their products. Yeah. Because then it's like if like, we even had, a woman who sells like these really, like, great little characters and and and kind of ornaments and stuff.
So we had some artists and creatives in there, but it was great. And, and a lot of them had great profits. It was like, oh, people want this. Right? People want to go down the road where there is like some accountability for themselves and they want to be in a way where they can, where they the purchase that where they're putting their money, it feels like I'm giving this to someone else who I know needs it just as much as I do.
You know? They're just a regular person. They're not a big entity. You know? Yeah.
So I think anyway, I'm saying I think there's somewhat of a people do care. Are we to get people to care where they're spending. Yeah. You know? That's kind of stuff is very important.
What what are your thoughts on RFK Junior's his eat real food initiative? Have you seen that?
Yeah. Have. Yeah. Tyson being the spokesperson. What's that?
Yeah. Mike Tyson was the was the spokesperson. He was he was in the Super Bowl ad.
Oh, I didn't even see that. Yeah. Yeah. Because he came one year and he talked about it. He just said eat real food, you know?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's great. Mean, I think, so RFK is a friend.
Yeah. Same. Yeah. He, like,
he's getting after it. You know? Like, peep like, in any situation, people are gonna have various opinions. Fine. But, like, he's really trying his best.
And so I I respect that he's pulling up, and, you know, he's made some great he has some great wins getting rid of, food dyes. And so yeah. I mean, I I'm I'm grateful for him doing it. It was cool. You know, like, Mike Tyson is probably the person that has been in my consciousness more than any public figure.
When I was when I was seven years old, he had peaked. I think he was 21. He just won the belt, and he was on the cover of Sports Illustrated, like, every week. Again, that's right. I would cut those out, and I had it on my wall, but my Tyson was my idol.
Like and the I actually, this is like a terrible story. I loved him so much, and I saved up all I worked all summer long mowing lawns and, like, doing all this whole bunch of shit. I saved up money, and I bought the pay per view. It was like $44.95. I called my friends over.
I'm gonna treat them to this amazing experience, and he was fighting Buster Douglas, his first big loss. And oh my god. That was that was like soul wrenching because I wanted to see Tyson, like, know, knock out of the park. I'd never seen him fight live, and you couldn't just, like, pull him up on clips on YouTube or YouTube. Like, it's, you know, harder to see.
But, anyway, somebody like, tangent there, but, it's cool to see Tyson go from that to now he's, like, in my world talking about real food and how it's important. So I think he's got a he's had a cool life arc.
He has had a great life arc. I mean, he's pretty fascinating. We're supposed to do a podcast with him coming up soon, actually, In LA, actually. So if I do do that, man, I'll have to make sure that you get to come over there.
Would love to. I would love to meet him.
That'd be super, dude. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He was like you know, boxers were such like, I don't know if like, they were such gods. They they held that status.
Right?
They did. In the eighties, they were it. Like, you have, like, basketball, you have the bulls, you've got the bears, you know, Bo Jackson, like, they were it.
Yeah. A 100%. What do you think the government's role should be in our, health and diet?
So I guess, like, two things. One is there there are a lot of things I want to do that I can't do because the government prevents me from doing it. So I can go out and smoke. I can eat fast food. I can eat all the junk food out there, but I can't try a new longevity drug.
The companies are forbidden from allowing me to do that. So, like, in many ways, I I dislike, they give me the freedom to kill myself, but I can't have the I don't have the right to experiment on myself. And I wish I had more experiment experiment experimental power that I could do that.
Have there been, certain drugs and stuff that you wanted to go try or
A lot of them. Really? Yeah.
Yeah. What's one that really kinda, you know, tickles your Benjamin butt?
You know? Yeah. That's a good that's good. I mean, there's a whole bunch of there's like probably a dozen. And like, the the thing I'd I want to do is I want to accept the responsibility of determining if it's safe or not.
Now if I mess up, it's on me. Yeah. Like, I'll take that responsibility, but I do I don't want them to say, like, only after because then it it creates this gigantic no. It makes sense. Companies go through, like, a a structured process, and they say, it's gone through this process.
We give it a stamp of approval. It's like, it's a good idea, like, on large scale vaccines. Like, you don't wanna ship a shitty vaccine to society. Mhmm. Totally get it.
Also, right, on, like, a n equals one, like me scale, I want to do things without their limiting my ability to do it. So it's a really tricky balance because there there needs to be some structure in place where as a member of the society, I can say, trust some entity to ensure what I'm doing is safe because we're saying the company itself can't be trusted. Right? Like, there needs to be, like, some
Right. Some middleman.
Yeah. Like, that's the idea.
But now the middleman, it feels like it can't be trusted.
So, like, what if we just, like, take this little wholesale, what we're going back to is care. Right? Like, do I trust that whoever is doing something is legitimately looking after my best interest or not? This is why I'm saying when you go back to, like, who legitimately is is looking after your best interest, it's not like one hand. It's your brother.
Yeah. And so what if we established as a society the principle of care? And now that's hard because you have to do things that are not in your best financial interest. You've gotta do things, like, don't look good. So, like, it really puts a it's a different mentality, but also, man, would it be kick ass to live in that society.
Yeah. Where, like,
I you know, if you're gonna tell me to take a drug, like, you're not hiding shit. Like, you're not, like you know? So that'd be cool.
So Oh, yeah. It'd be so nice. Because imagine also the stress that it adds to all of us. Yeah. You know, it's so stressful now.
It's like you go eat a hotcake or whatever, and you're like, is this thing gonna kill me? Not today. Yeah. But is there something in here that they're strategizing to kill me thirty years from now? Yeah.
You know, to create some new disease in me that then I'll need some new type of medicine, you know, it just kind of yeah, it's a lot of turmoil. What is your, kind of daily dietary strategy? Where do you stand with your diet? Yeah. And then we'll talk about like supplements that you like.
Cool. Yeah. The principle here
is that I am a collection of around 70,000,000,000,000 cells. Like Brian Johnson is 70,000,000,000,000 cells. Half, like over half of those cells are alien cells. They're not even me. They're just bacteria.
So I'm like around thirty, thirty five trillion cells.
Is that true?
Yeah. Yeah. You you are a collection of, like, 70,000,000,000,000 cells. That makes theo Von.
Okay. And half of those cells are not They're not you. They're not natural born citizens?
Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. They're immigrants.
Yeah. So, like, they're bacteria and others that are hanging out in your ecosystem. And so the question is, like, you know, when it comes to food, food is just a collection of molecules. So you're taking one set of molecules, and you put them in your molecules, and you say, like, what happens? And so we know, for example, when you take fast food, those molecules are put in your body, it does bad stuff.
And so with diet, we basically just say, if you have to create a list of the very best molecules in existence that help the body thrive, what are those molecules? So every calorie has a fiber's life. And so that's the first principle. And then two is I don't subscribe to any, camp. Like I'm not carnivore, I'm not vegan, I'm not vegetarian, I'm not paleo, I'm not keto, I don't care.
I just wanna look at the evidence and say, you take a given thing, put it in the body, what happens? And so I my diet primarily consists of a whole bunch of vegetables. I do berries, nuts, seeds, extra virgin olive oil. That's primarily what I eat. And so I'm just I'm extremely meticulous because I'm trying to become the most don't die person in the world.
So but, know, if people enjoy eating meat, eat meat. You know, like, do your thing. If you enjoy eggs, do eggs. Just measure your body. Like, measure your body and see if you're happy or not.
If the body is so there's what your mind can say, oh, I love blank, but measuring your body is a different thing. Your body is gonna tell is gonna speak the truth, not your mind. So basically, like, wanna measure out, let your body report out how's inflammation, how's cholesterol, like, how's all the different markers. So
And when it comes to meat and things like that, are there just you don't like them or you feel like they don't work for your body? Was there something that you found that you're like, this isn't the best for me?
So it's actually I mean, one is I think that there's two points. One is I think you can make an evidence based argument that a diet that primarily consists of vegetables, berries, nuts, seeds, extra virgin olive oil, legumes, is one of the best paths to longevity. Not the only, but like a good one. And then, on the, like, red meat, there's not a ton of evidence that a lot of ton of longevity evidence that says this thing is a longevity, producer. No.
But I I pull myself out of the argument because I don't care about red meat. I don't care about the argument. I don't care about the disagreement. If somebody wants to eat red meat, I support you in eating red meat. Yeah.
Like, I'm not gonna go after red meat. Like, I'm not that person. So just like
do Y'all pat you on the back while you have a little, you know
Yeah.
Yeah. Do you have some burn
ins or whatever. Man, do it. Like, do your thing and just measure your body. So I try to do that, and I try to then share my body biomarkers and say, here's what my body looks like. Here's the evidence.
If you wanna try it out, here you go. But, like, a lot of so, like, a couple things. One is, I love extra virgin olive oil. I think it's one of the best foods you can put into your body.
Is that a seed oil or not? No. Okay.
Yeah. There's like this whole, seed oils are bad for you. I don't I don't buy it.
You
don't? No. I think it's fried. It's it's high temp seed oils. But, you know, like cold pressed seed oils, you know, like they're fine.
So, like that whole thing, I think, got away. Oh, so you
think the seed oil thing is kind of out there?
Yeah. Yeah. It's it's you don't want to heat them. That's when they become dangerous. But cold pressed seed oils, the evidence says they're fine.
But again, like, if somebody wants to do it, great. Like, you know, stain or take it.
Just measure yourself to try to find the markers. Right. Check-in with yourself. Have some sort of like, okay. How do I really feel after having this?
Yeah. And how does your body report out? Not your mind, not your opinion, not what social media says. Ask your body to report out with biomarkers. Get a blood draw, look at your markers, and say, is the body happy or sad?
Right. Not each time you eat, but you're saying over time. Over time.
Because, yeah, because those like, your body reflects your diets over, you know, a period of time.
Yeah.
Yeah. But like the easy ones, like just avoid there we go.
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But you don't buy into this? I mean, this
so this is cooking. This is act what does
Oh, this is actually using it for cooking.
Yeah. What does well at higher heats?
This is kinda what you're saying actually, that some of these may provide less health benefit for you.
But on this, though, like this graph, I want to see the toxic compounds that are formed. Otherwise, like, don't know how to read this graph.
Right. Right. And they'll show stuff like this. I mean, even entrap me. It just you know, they use the red, yellow, green.
Yeah. Exactly. There's a
lot of small strategies that can kinda like Yeah.
I wanna see. I wanna see what temperature, what are the toxic compounds I'm evaluating, when do they form, Like, you know, etcetera. So that that is like a that'd be a much more quantified approach where I'd say, alright. Now I I feel like I have a good basis for decision making Mhmm. Versus like, this is easy to read online.
You see red, green, yellow. It's like, okay. Good, bad. Because anything more than good, bad, it kind of it gets overwhelming for people.
Yeah. For sure. Yeah. You say extra virgin olive oil. That's sort of your go to.
Yeah. Based upon the evidence I my team and I have reviewed, this is what I would suggest if people want quick takeaways. One is I consume more extra virgin olive oil than any food in my diet. It's 15% of my daily caloric intake, but it's we source it ourselves. We test it in the lab ourselves.
It's high polyphenol. It has the right acids. Right? Right constitution. So it's it's a specific kind of olive oil.
It's not because most olive oil is bullshit. Like, most of it does nothing, and most of it yeah. Is a lot of So you need a very so whatever you buy, make sure it has a third party lab test result. Now that's that's a lot. But is there a brand
that you tell us? I mean, know or or do you have this yourself that we could buy? Do you have your own?
I do it myself. Because, like, going back to that discussion of care and trust, after playing this game for five years, I don't trust anybody. Yeah. No one. Like, I don't care what they say in marketing.
I don't care. I just don't trust anyone. That's how I am. So, yeah, I I wanna source it from the farm myself. I wanna test it in the third party lab.
So I just basically, I did this my whole self, and then my friends were like, I want this too. And I'm like, sure.
Yeah. I was about to ask you for something. And this is but this is one you guys have. It's called snake oil?
Yeah. We like, it's kind of a troll. Yeah. But, yeah, it's basically we source from both hemispheres, Southern Hemisphere, Northern hemisphere. We always have a fresh batch.
We do third party testing. It's high polyphenols. So, all of it and also, like, I do a tablespoon with every meal because when you eat food, it causes damage to your body. Like, lot of people don't know that. They think like food is like a good thing, which it is, but also there's a there's damage associated.
So olive oil lessens that damage, like lessens some the oxidative damage. So that's olive oil is one. Two is I eat a lot of legumes like lentils, edamames, beans, a lot of vegetables, but I steam them. So when you when you char something, whether it be charring vegetables or meat or something, it builds something called AGEs. AGEs?
Yeah. Advanced glycogenin products, which is basically just thinking about like junk that builds up in your in your in your body. You don't want it. So I steam vegetables to lower the AGEs, and then I eat a lot of nuts, macadamia nuts, almonds, walnuts.
I like walnuts. Yeah. Right. Those are like
the those are good ones. Like, I don't eat cashews or peanuts. Those are like the less valuable ones. Drunkards nuts.
Like Like, oh, you're drunk Yeah.
Then I do a lot of
And cashew just looks like it's fucking Yeah. Looks like it doesn't even know what it's doing. You look at a cashew, bring up a cashew. Yeah. Yeah.
It looks kinda bisexual a little. Yeah. Which is fine. Yeah. But I'm just saying it looks like it'll sleep over at anybody's house, to me.
Yeah. I think it's a good interpretation. I've never heard someone riff on a cashew's appearance, but you know what? I think you're right.
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Yeah. I had I had a couple thoughts. You know, like, know, Theo, I wish I could say I wish I could talk about shit like you do. Like, I have several thoughts I just had. I'd like to express them, but I don't.
You know? Like, I still play within a certain box of, like, what I can and cannot say.
But And is it do you think it's some of that's for, like, business purposes, or you just think it's just like a social way that you learned?
I mean, it's like there as as weird as I am and as much elbow room as I've created in doing crazy shit, there's still some things that I would say that would alienate certain people. And so I do have some some parameters. And so but I you know, if if I wasn't doing this, honestly, I'd do stand up comedy. Really? Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. It'd be like bro, that's cool. Oh, man. It would it would be it would be so much fun because you basically you're trying to put your finger on the thing. Yeah.
And that's what I try to do in my life. But you're like and so and when people the response, of course, is like how good you are at putting your finger on the thing that they already know. Right. But you're willing to say it, and you can string it together. So
But you're kinda doing that. You're kind of like a, I mean, it's just not stand up comedy, but you're just doing it for our health. You
know? Yeah.
And I'm I would way rather you're this guy out there who's like just who's basically riding around being his own voodoo doll and shit than have you out there, like, trying jokes, which you may have have been very successful at as well. But I'm glad you're doing what you are. Maybe, you know, maybe it'll be a side thing or next life. But also some people might not even take you as seriously. You know, one night I watched John Mayer.
He got up into stand up comedy. Yeah. And he's like, man, I love stand up comedy. I have loved to have been a stand up comedian. He goes, but now I'm so known for being what I am that I can't even be this.
Yeah. Because, it just people wouldn't accept it or wouldn't give you the same walkway into their lives as as they would knowing I'm already John May. Yeah. You
know? Yeah. You know, like, I would love to take down that challenge, and man, I would love
You could have so many great jokes.
I wanna make fun of myself. I I like, I'm so weird. Right? I could Dude, of course
you are, dude. You probably you probably might not even have any blood in your body, dude. You could go to a blood draw and they just keep drawing and drawing the descending there. Like, nurses are coming out like, we don't know,
you know?
I mean, oh, dude, I bet if you have you ever been on Kill Tony? Have you been on that show? No. Oh, bro. If you I wonder if we maybe next time I go in there, you and me could go.
He's this have you ever seen it? No. It's this it's like the tonight show now, but they do it at that in Austin and it's a and dude, I bet people would write some jokes for you, bro. It'd be so great.
That'd be so much fun. Love I to. This is it.
It's so much fun, bro. Every week they have it. You would be the best on there, dude.
I went to a couple roast me shows, and it was it was pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I I really enjoy people making fun of me.
It's fun. My buddy Adam Hunter does or used to do a lot of those. I know he he's one of the best at it. But Tony Hinchcliffe is really great at it too. That's his show, kill Tony.
Okay. Were there other things you were gonna tell us about? Some other health stuff you said that your own, and you also have a and I'm not pushing your products here, but I was given a gift of one of your products and I haven't taken it before. And it's a blueprint protein powder. Yeah.
Is it a protein powder? Is it a daily powder? What is it?
Yeah. Protein.
Okay. It's a protein powder. And a lot of times you hear that supplements and stuff like that, a lot of that stuff just comes out in your urine. Like, what makes this thing any different, or is it any different?
Yeah. So the problem I was trying to solve is I need to eat every day somehow. Yeah. And I need a certain amount of protein, a certain amount of fat. And so when I go out in the world, I'm like, where am I gonna buy it?
I who do I trust? No one. Yeah. Okay. So I gotta manufacture this.
So basically, like, put together, I eat everything my company makes, because I trust it. I I like, you know, I worked as a in high school, I worked at a restaurant. I was, and I saw the back kitchen operations. Mhmm. And I was like, damn.
I'm never eating at this restaurant ever again. Right? Like, once you see it, it it's it's horrifying.
Yeah. Well, it's crazy when you think you're at a restaurant that you think that the people in the back are doing their best.
No. Exactly. Because a
lot of times, you're like, you'll go eat and then I'll go work at a restaurant. So it's like, then I'm just the person in the back.
Yeah. And like the the whole idea of like since it's like competent things going on behind the scenes that like you can trust, like, nah, nah. Someone breaks it. So It's like blueprint. I see exactly what happens.
That's what I wanna eat. So, yeah, protein, I basically need, like, a hundred and thirty grams a day. So I have to get it from somewhere. So, yeah, we same thing. If we source it, we third party test it.
You know, we look at all the the nutrients and the chemicals and the toxins. So, yeah, so the protein is one of the things we've built. And so
And what kind of protein powder do you recommend? I take a plant protein right now. That's kind of what I feel like works best with my system. Yeah. But what is there a type of because you hear different ones and new ones pop out, and then there's, like, the one you're supposed to take at night.
Like, have you what has your experience been like with protein powders?
We've been using pea and hemp. We started using pumpkin. And
Oh, pumpkin got something with pump. Yeah.
Yeah. So there's there's It should be
obvious pumpkin has muscles, dude.
Exactly. She's looking at a fucking pumpkin. Fucking flexing in this in the fills. Right? You see you see what
it looks like that.
Who's this who's this defined? Yeah. Yeah. So, like, we God. Yes.
We did that.
But, you know, like Pea doesn't mix very well, though.
Yeah. That's why. So that's why we do the hemp combo.
Okay.
Yeah. Helps it? It makes it fluffy and nice.
Because pea sometimes I'll get it in a smoothie or something, you can't even drink it because it's not
the the
solution isn't liquid enough?
Yeah. So we do that. But people there's like this online thing where people say that plant based proteins are higher in heavy metals. Right? Because there's you can test it.
The issue with that is that the whole heavy metal discussion is so fucked up because we test all my foods. You can go to the store and get a carrot and test that for heavy metals. It's high in heavy metals. Mhmm. And so the only reason why they it's been sensational around plant based proteins with toxins is because it's packaged food you can easily measure.
But it's harder to measure fresh food. People don't do the work. So, like, we've learned toxins are everywhere in all foods. And so for example, I'll give you one where I was eating these lentils, and the test came back high. And so we're like, why are lentils high in heavy metals?
Like, what's going on there? So we got ahold of the company, and we're like, what's what's your manufacturing process? They said, actually, we use, human sludge as our fertilization. So they're taking
Like, or whatever?
Yeah. They're taking they're taking human shit because it's like a
Who's selling it? Yeah. So they're using human shit
to fertilize, and human shit has heavy metals in it. So then recycles back into the to the food. And so we've been this this is why I make this shit because I shouldn't say stuff. So we we wanna we wanna source our own food. We wanna test it.
I wanna know what I'm putting in my body. And so, we just I've learned way too much. I'm like, I'm so jaded now.
So the lentils, they were using human shit on their crops. Yeah. And it was getting into the lentils somewhat. That
that's why. Because otherwise, if you think about it, you're like, what foods naturally have high levels of blank? Right? Or like cocoa has high levels of heavy metals. Like, has a lot high levels of cadmium naturally.
But then people test that. They're like, here are the brand rankings, but then glyphosate could also be present. And so we found that the brand had the lowest levels of cadmium, had the highest levels of glyphosate by, 10 x. Oh. They had an oat filler.
So the it was in the oats. And so this is the thing is like you once you actually take a topic and you actually slice it up to capture the nuance, it's just the conversation online is almost never right. Like, when the the things that that gain trendy popularity, it's almost always wrong.
And when you said that all some of it almost is negligible then because at a certain point just overall, we are in a very tough spot with Yeah. With what is in our foods no matter what.
100%. Like, that's what I'm saying. Like, it is like, I I don't people are gonna feel stressed about this conversation. So I wanna, like, make sure we close. I wanna Yeah.
I agree. I wanna I wanna give, a few tips where people can regain control of their life. Okay. So I don't wanna terrify I know it's terrifying.
Well, one of the things that I even I think you've already done is that's why you're saying like, okay, you may have this diet. Yeah. If you have an olive olive oil that you take when you're eating, that it will lessen the effects of your diet on your system at the Yeah. So and those are the types of things that are are kind of important. It's like, okay, well, know that even if some stuff I know is gonna be not great for me, how do I at least just mitigate what's going on while our science, hopefully gets, you know, uncompromised Yeah.
While our food system hopefully gets uncompromised and we're able to get back into a better place. But you were saying, there are some things you want them to take away.
Yeah. Okay. Cool. So here's like, in short, this this list of things will hopefully help people feel empowered
Mhmm.
And not anxious. So, yes, there's, like, all kinds of shit to be aware of, but if you focus on these things so one is I've learned out of all the things I've measured out of I literally have, like, billions of data points on my body over the past five years. If you distill that and say how many, are useful signal, probably a few 100,000,000. But it's the largest dataset in human history. The thing I care about the most is what is my heart rate before bed?
It is, like, the most useful biomarker, and it's so easy because it's free. So if you have a wearable, you can just pull up your phone, see what your what what your mark so you go you lay down on your bed, take a few deep breaths, and you calm yourself down, and then you see a number. Let's say it's like 55 beats a minute or 60. Your goal in life now is to lower your heart rate. So you say you start off at 60, in a month from now, be at 55.
And so the way you do that, one, is you have your final meal of the day four hours before bed. Yeah. I know. I know. I hear you.
And no snacks?
Uh-huh. No snack. No food. So if your bedtime's at ten, at 6PM, you're done. There we go.
That's a great chart. Got it. So these are the things so when you increase your heart rate before bed, it wrecks your sleep. Yes. When you don't sleep well, your willpower falls off a cliff.
So the next morning when you're trying to decide, do you eat the croissant or the doughnut for breakfast or not? If you haven't slept well, you're like 90% more likely to eat the donut or the croissant. Wow. If you slept well, you have a little juice in the system. You're like, you know what?
No. It's not good for me, and I'm gonna exercise, which then also increases your willpower. So you get in this really positive loop. So it all starts with sleep, and sleep is determined by your heart rate. So for example, like so four hours before bed, that is gonna lower so when you have that distance, it allows your body to digest the food.
It allows your body to say, I'm gonna get ready for bed. So it lowers your body temperature, lowers cortisol, increases melatonin, so your body's in a much better state to go to sleep and stay in deep sleep. The second thing is your phone needs to be off an hour before bed. You can't be in bed scrolling, working, texting. You need the separation because your body, the phone in hand, is going to increase your cortisol, increase your sympathetic activation.
You'll be more anxious. And so you need an hour of separation. Instead of the phone, go for a walk, talk to a friend, hang out, like breath work, meditation, read a book, like anything but be on your phone that will lower your heart rate. And there's other small things, like I do this nighttime discussion where I go to bed at 08:30. At 07:30PM evening, Brian or sleep Brian comes on on duty.
And sleep Brian is the version of me that defends my sleep. And so all the Brian's line up. So ambitious Brian lines up. He's always the first one.
He wants to work.
And he's like, I gotta fucking banger idea. Right? A brand new thing we're gonna do. And sleep Brian says, we see you ambitious Brian. Like, you're doing a good job in life.
Yeah. Like, keep at it, man. Also, we're getting ready for bed. So we're write down your idea, and then tomorrow, we'll come back to it. And ambitious Brian's like, are you sure?
And sleep Brian's like, yeah. Yeah. We got you. So then he walks away. Then anxious Brian shows up.
And he's like, yo. Today when you were with Theo, you said that thing, and you were a jackass to him. Right? It's like, thank you, anxious Brian. Great self awareness.
Appreciate you. We're gonna write that down. We're gonna hit Theo up tomorrow. Make sure we're all good. And then, like, all the Brian's lined up.
And so you know this Leaving
Brian ever show up, he's like, hey.
Let's stay He all the time.
Yeah. Yeah. Dude. Yeah. Dude, this Brian is freaking leave me alone, Brian.
Yeah. So you'll see this, like, you do this or something else, the way this manifest is if you don't do this, you put your head on the pillow, and then you loop. Right? Like, have these thoughts that just, go and go and go and then the same thoughts. And then you finally fall asleep.
You wake up three hours later. There they are again, looping. And so they cause your heart rate to go up, which causes your sleep to go down, which crashes your willpower, which crashes everything else. So by doing this, like, internal harvesting, like you're trying to clean up, you're lowering your heart rate, you're settling yourself down, you're getting to some point of reconciliation. So now you've not eaten for four hours.
You've got off your phone, and you've got some kind of internal balance. Now you're ready to think, I can lay it put my head on the pillow and have a decent shot at a banger night sleep. And so, basically, I built my entire life around sleep. Now if you focus on that, it's just like so much of life is just not doing bad shit. Right?
This is like what we talked about before of like, whether you're happy or not in life is how much you're doing, which you actually don't wanna do. Yeah. And then, like, all the other stuff, like, all these little things about this and that, like, don't worry about it yet. Just get sleep in place. Get these basic habits in place.
Your sleep is gonna make you feel great. And then once you get that in a steady place, you can start layering on good habits. But if you take on too many things, you'll feel overwhelmed. Yeah. So, like, get that in place.
That's like the the winner. Dude, it's
like there's nothing better than when you like, I'm going to sleep. Man, it How's your sleep? And I what did you say?
How's your sleep?
My sleep's okay. It's not that great. A lot of times I stay up editing, but it's but I also have gotten trapped into a late pattern. So it's like I could get up earlier. It's like I have to line it up earlier.
Yeah. Yeah.
I could get up earlier, get get rid of, like, the working out, the meditation. You know, I'll do, like, some Zoom, like, recovery meeting stuff. And, and then all that's out of my head. Yeah. And now the rest of my day feels more it feels easier no matter what I'm doing as opposed to these things being later in the day and that I still have to do them.
That's one of the biggest traps I set myself up for is procrastinating like the toughest things right out of the gate. Mhmm. And they even get easier over time. Yeah. That's right.
But like today, I got up. I sauna. I do sauna a lot. That is one thing that I like doing. It just makes me feel activated.
And not everybody can have a sauna at home. You know, I don't have like a very fancy one. There's a lot of different affordable ones actually. But that's something that I noticed has helped me a lot. Are you icing your boys in the sauna?
Am I icing my body? Your boys. My nuts? Yeah. Nuh-uh.
It's a good idea.
You ice them in the sauna? Yeah. Woah, woah. What do you mean?
Yeah, So we did the an experiment. So, when the testicles get warm, it has all these negative consequences. Just Oh, god. It destroys your fertility markers. And so yep.
So what you want what you can do is on Amazon, you can buy, like, $8 ice packs. They're BPA free, nontoxic. Put them in the freezer, and then just slide them underneath your cotton. You so wear cotton underwear Mhmm. And cotton shorts.
Put them in in between the underwear and the shorts, and just have them there for the entire session of the sauna session. But we did this. I I did, the most measured sauna experiment in history. We measured, like, 250 biomarkers, and we did ice on my testicles, and we took it off, and it annihilated my fertility markers. Now a lot of people will say, like, I don't care about that because I'm not trying to get pregnant or whatever, but it has a whole bunch of negative feedback loop.
Like, it's a negative feedback loop. You don't wanna, annihilate them. You want good fertility markers even if you're trying to have a baby.
Yeah. You want your brain to feel like you're pot like, just alive.
Bread and roll. Yeah. If your
brain starts feeling like, oh, these nuts are useless or whatever your brain's like, then what am I sticking around for?
Yeah. Yeah. Was my yeah. My job. Exactly.
Dang, dude. What Now if you just pour a little bit of cold water on your nuts every now and then? Is that you think that'd be okay?
I mean, you could, but you gotta keep the water cold. It's gotta be make sure you keep the temperature. Like, as long as you get temperature low, like, whatever whatever you do. And then after you do it, you know, just clean it with, like, hydrogen peroxide or something. Mhmm.
You know? So you, and then put it back in the freezer. But, yeah, I know it's like it's uncomfortable to do it socially. Like, you go out to, a public place, and it's like, who's the weird person putting, you know, the ice pack all their balls? You know?
But but, like, it legit is it's good science, and, it's a good practice.
So keeping them cool. Even if you had to go to the water to go to the, ice machine, get you a little sack of ice and just set them on there while you're in there.
That works. Anything you can do to keep your your ice yeah. Chestnuts cold.
Wow. Is this sauna is there a certain type of sauna that you really recommend or something that works differently? There's one now, like actually, I was thinking about getting, an infrared panel put into my sauna. Do you find that there's any help with that sort of thing? I know that's kind of two different questions.
Yeah. The the best evidence is with a dry sauna. And so there's wet, dry, and infrared. And wet, the problem is it heats up your skin faster than your core temperature.
Mhmm.
You try to get your core temperature up. So dry sauna an infrared rarely hits the temperature levels you want. So the best evidence is you wanna be between a 174 Fahrenheit to 212 Fahrenheit.
Oh my god, bro. That's warm.
That's your window. And then you wanna so what so what we're doing now is, one of the primary benefits of of the sauna is when you go in there, your core body temperature, when it gets to about a 102 degrees Fahrenheit, it triggers the release of heat shock proteins. So these are like, little machines, protein machines that get spun up, and they go around and fix shit. They fix broken proteins, misful Yeah. They're like flooding your body, doing good stuff, but it only gets triggered when your core body temperature hits a certain level.
And so if you're not hot enough in the sauna so they're but they're very hard to measure. So we're currently setting up a lab, a wet lab at my house, so we can measure this. We're try to measure my heat shock protein release on various temperatures, various durations. So what we've been looking, because I've been doing core temperature out of my ear lately, but you can't the the gold standard measurement is rectal, but you've got to do that. You've gotta like be inside the ass for like two to three minutes with a long probe.
Whoo. So I know.
That's farm work.
I would yeah. So I'm struggling with that one. Like, I do I do I do a lot of stuff, but, like, man, I was like, guys, can we find an alternative way of doing this? So we're gonna do blood. We're gonna measure heat shock protein release because that's, the good goody stuff.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Basically, dry sauna somewhere between a hundred and seventy four and two twelve Fahrenheit for twenty minutes is, a good starting point, and then, ice on the boys.
Ice on the boys while you're in there. And you wanna stay in that sauna for, you said, for fifteen to twenty minutes above a 170 degrees?
Yeah. That's like a good approximation. That's where the evidence is of, like, if you're in that range, you're getting some benefit. I'm trying to go for, like, max max benefit, but if, like, if you're in that temperature range for that duration of time, you're gonna still get a good benefit.
Wow. That's fascinating, dude. Yeah. Because and and my my stepsister just got me a sauna hat to wear in the sauna too. So That's good.
Yeah.
Because the heat will dry out your scalp. Yep. Yeah.
It just seems kinda nice too if they, know, it's nice to have a little bit of like a fashion accoutrement in there kind of.
It's made of hemp hemp material.
Yeah. Probably something like that. Yep. Yeah. One thing we're trying to make an underwear that's just all cotton.
Right? And it's American cotton. One of the things I noticed too on underwear, the the night band, sometimes the the waistband, it's too tight, and it makes you go pee all night. Yeah. Yeah.
So it's like you gotta wake up an extra time or sometimes two. Like, if I wear some of these ones that are really constricting, I'm
like Yeah.
So I don't know. I've just been trying to think about making a decent pair of britches, bro. Something to hide your cock in or whatever while you're sleeping, bro.
I hear you, man. This is a serious problem. Yeah.
Yeah, dude. It's crazy. I saw that you went viral not long ago for posting. It was like a nighttime erection data. Yeah.
Take me down that, take me down that Weiner Road for a second. Yeah. Brian, what did you what what did you see here? Nighttime erection data from my 19 year old son. Yeah.
And this is definite I mean, that's one way to build a that's bonding. That's bonding, dude. Nighttime erection data from my 19 year old son, Thomas Johnson, and me. His duration is two minutes longer than mine. Wow.
Yeah. Raise children to stand tall, be firm, and be upright. That's hilarious. Yeah. I noticed you and your son, do you he gets involved in a lot of this.
Right? Yeah. He he's so cool. He's such a cool cat. He, he's my second, child, and, he and I are just best friends.
We roll and, man, like, we're like we're just twins. Like, we just like, you know, with Kate, man, I love this kid so much. We have so much fun together.
Yeah. What makes him so special to you? I mean, it's your son, so that's one thing.
He there he is. I mean
That's cool. Like He's in shape. Who
who would do this with their dad?
It's a good dude, that's actually the perfect answer. Maybe Voldemort's song or whatever. You know what? I'm just joking. I'm just joking, Thomas.
No. But no, you're right. Who would be like yeah. Who would do anything with their dad? Look
at, like, the lower left. He's I have my shirt off. Yeah. He's hugging me. Like, we're doing a shirtless skin to skin photoshoot.
Like, what father son does that?
Seems pretty tribal. Yeah.
I mean, he's he's and he's like and so, like, we're there. We did the blood tran like, so he gave me his plasma. I gave my dad my plasma. We did, like, a trigenerational thing.
And is that was there any helpful stuff in that?
Yeah. So my this the origin behind that is my dad called me in a panic. And he said, like, I he's I just wrote this thing for work. I stepped away from my my, desk, came back to it. It was gibberish.
He's like, I'm I'm freaking out. And so that day, my team and I had a call about plasma exchanges. Like, the idea of you like, there was a study where a old mouse and a young mouse were sewed together, they they shared a circulatory system. The old mouse got younger.
They were sewn together?
Yeah. Like, they shared a system. That's kind of a shitty shitty mouse. Right? Like, to be that mouse in that experiment.
But the old mouse got younger. And so there was this idea, like, what's happening? Right? Could you replicate the results there by taking plasma that is useful and give it to someone that is older? And so my I was like, dad, if you want to do this, I'm happy to give you my plasma.
Like, you know, like because there were some studies being shown.
Yeah. And then you siphoned Talmadge into it.
You're like Yeah. But yeah. So he he heard he heard me Talmadge heard us talking about it. He's like, hey. Like wow.
If you want me in, like, I'm I'm happy to be in. I'm like, you guys, this is perfect. I try generational plasma exchange.
That shit's dope, dude. Yeah.
So we did it. And it's interesting that my dad, his speed of aging, it's like there's a clock inside your body of how fast or how slow you're aging. Mhmm. His speed of aging dropped by the equivalent of twenty five years. So his body had a dramatic reduction of how fast he was aging from getting my plasma.
How are you able to quantify that? Looking at, something called DNA methylation. So your body basically has these chemical signatures of, like, what does your body look like? A 13 year old, a 20 year old, a 45 year old. It's like an emergent science.
So it's like metadata almost.
Yeah. Exactly. And so, like, it's a new area of science. It's still emerging. It's not yet gold standard.
So, like, you know, it's not, like the like, blood work is the gold standard marker, but this is cool. And so, yeah, my dad's metadata changed dramatically. My biomarkers didn't. So when when my son Talmadge gave me his plasma, my biomarkers did not change, which, like, makes sense because my biomarkers are already like his. We're already of comparable health, but my dad's are not as good as mine.
So but, yeah, that was the behind that. So, like, my son yeah. Like, he That's cool. Yeah. But, like, he's he's, he's a yes and guy.
Oh, nice.
So, like, anything I say or anything I do, he's always like, dad, yeah, and you know, like when I did the livestream mushrooms, he's like, I'm in, and I wanna hang out with you. And so he's just like he's such a cool dude.
I wanna talk about the mushroom stuff, I'll but take me back to the erections.
Oh, yeah.
What and that's the only time I'll ever say that probably.
What? It's like the time you were gay. Yeah. You never know. Everyone's little gay.
For one oh, dude. People's all a little bit gay, bro. You fucking tickle anybody. If you tickle somebody hard enough, they'll admit it. Yeah.
Yeah. What did you notice about erections? Yeah. What did you guys find out here? Because you and your son both took this.
Is it a test? What did you guys do to study it?
Yeah. So the idea behind this is, how do you tell if somebody's in good health? Mhmm. Right? You can like look you can look at them, it's like, what is the skin quality?
Like, what are their muscles? Are they aerobically fit? It turns out that nighttime erections for men is a major marker for health. And that if a man is not having erections at night when he's asleep, it's representative of much larger problems in the body. But after before we did this, nobody talked about this idea.
But every night you go to bed, your body goes to a natural process of erection cycles. So men have between three and five erections every single night. It's not sexual. Your body is just, like, pulsing the system. Females have the same thing.
So females also have these arousal cycles that are clitoris and gorges that they you know? So so you can we can measure a man's erection. So we have this little device you put on the base of the penis, and you go to sleep. You think it's annoying, but it's actually fine. You don't even feel it.
And you wake up in the morning, and it gives you a readout. How many erections you had, how long they were, and then the strength of the erections. And what it's basically doing is it's telling you the health of your cardiovascular system, your psychological health, and your physiological health. So if your if your dick is broken, something else is broken about you. And you can also use it as age marker because as you age, like a healthy 18 year old will have something like two and a half hours of nighttime erections.
Josh. And by the time you get to 70 years old, it's down to, like, fifty one minutes. Oh. So it declines with age.
Papa's still rocking, though.
Yeah. So mine are, my my best is, three hours and fifty two minutes. In one night? Yeah. Yeah.
So I'm at the 99.9 percentile for nighttime erections. And this is a cool marker because, like, people can can look at me and say, you still look 48. I don't think any of your shit's working. And the way to counteract that is when you go to bed, your body just does it. Like, I can't change if I have erections and I don't know.
I can't think about having sex. Like, your body just does it.
Right.
So it basically is a question of like, body is behaving like an 18 year old. Mhmm. Like, better than an average 18 year old. Yeah. And so that's like a good marker of like, is my stuff working or not?
Yeah. Like, so that's what this whole idea is. Actually, I was teaching my son, like, was like, hey, man. How are you doing? Because as a good father, would want his son to be healthy, and he's like, I wanna measure it.
So so he's a very healthy 18 year old, and I was trying to demonstrate that, you know, I'm 48 years old. He's he's, 20. Our bodies basically are behaving the same. So, yeah. People like you know, I definitely had a lot to say about this post.
Yeah. Well, it's I mean, it's pretty fascinating, you know, when you think about that. You had 34,000,000 views on this?
It'd be like, that's not even like, it went so much more viral
than that. That's insane, bro.
Yeah. Yeah.
But dang, also, it's a great business card for your son in the dating world.
Yeah. Like, you know what? Yeah.
Yeah. Or the longevity world. I mean, just like, yeah, if that's something that's just like, it's your nature that it's gonna show up at night. Because, yeah, I noticed that I definitely if I wake up with an erection, I do feel more like
Yeah.
Okay. I'm viral or very very ill.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. And I'm rocking, you know, and I still got it. You know what I'm saying? And bring on the day.
Yeah. Like, you remember, Phil, like, when you were, like, early teens?
Oh, yeah.
You're always erect. Like, in the middle of the day, you have you just become erect.
Yeah. I remember walking down the hall and having to, like, lean my body inward, like, to or, like, walk with your
Your book over your
your Yes. Holding your book back and wearing your book back on the front. Yeah. Or just or I'd walk in, like, just at school, would just point my body towards the wall and just walk sideways and shit. Just weird shit.
Yeah. Exactly. Just cocking around.
That's like a robust function. Then as you as you age, right, they just disappear. Yeah. And so that's why it's so important. So I talk about it because who don't have men who do not do not have robust nighttime erections are seventy percent more likely to have a cardiac event.
So like you like you really wanna know Yeah. If it's not working, like all their stuff is going on. And so
yeah. Wow. A lot of my Yeah. There was a long time I didn't because a lot of it was psychological I think I was just There was something going on in my head that wasn't healthy. You had mentioned, you had an experience I have to pee really quick now.
We just took a urine break. Dude, I pee long when I pee, dude, because I drink a lot of fluids during the day. Yeah. Is that good or bad? You think, does it matter?
Yeah. Yeah.
Do you cut off fluids at a certain time at the end of the day so you don't, wake up to pee at night?
Yeah. So I, like, I measure what I did is I measured, my fluid. So when I exercise and when I'm in the sauna, I'm able to exercise how much I I measure how much I sweat. So Gatorade has a patch. Just put it on the inside of your forearm, and then it gives you how much you sweat and also the content of your sodium.
So you have, like, a kind of a baseline. And then you have an idea of, like, you can back into how much should you consume and, like, should you supplement with the sodium, or do already have that? So, yeah, I consume about about a 120 to a 130 ounces of water per day. So a lot like you. I front load it in the morning, and I stop around four to five.
Oh. So yeah. So that then helps me, lessen the number of times that I get up. So sometimes if I'm lucky, I'll sleep the entire night. And then other times, like, probably half the nights, you know, I'll get up once.
But, yeah, I try to stop fluid, towards the end of day to stop getting up at night.
So you'll stop it kinda right after you eat dinner? Yeah. Because I
well, actually, I eat dinner at, like, 11AM, noon. I have my final meal today around noon.
Oh, you do? Yeah. And when do have your first meal then?
When I wake up at six. Okay. I wake up, like, at four or five. Like, four or five, and then I'll have breakfast before I eat.
So you eat breakfast? Yeah. So many things that are like don't eat breakfast. I feel better when I don't eat breakfast and I eat later in the day, I keep it into a smaller eating window. But you don't that's not your practice.
Yeah. Like, do your thing. Right?
Like, you're saying do your thing.
Yeah. Exactly. I do your thing. But I like what I I built my life around sleep
Mhmm.
Like, unquestionably. So the reason I do that is because if I have my last meal around noon, my heart before heart before I go to bed will be around 41, 42, 43 beats per minute, which, if I have that, I will have a perfect night sleep. I'll get, like, four to four and a half hours of of restorative sleep. I'll fall asleep within one minute. I'll you know, half the nights, I will not get up.
Other nights, I'll wake up, I'll be back to sleep within a minute or two. And so, And then once I have that kind of sleep profile, I feel like I can take on life. When I don't sleep well, it's just like, oh man, it sucks. Hate how I feel.
Everything goes downhill. Everything. Everything does. The way I treat other people, the way I treat myself, like you're saying. Yeah.
Last night's sleep was bad. Might as well wreck the rest of the day. You know, there's this Yeah. There's this, like, regenerative thing that sort of continues to happen.
Yeah.
Do you, take any supplements for sleeping?
I take three hundred mcg's of melatonin. So, that's not to be confused with a milligram. It is like a third of a milligram. Okay. So, very, very light dose.
That's all I take.
In a powder or chewable or what?
Just a I take a plant based melatonin. Yeah. Instead of synthetic. But otherwise, like, you know, people have their sleep stacks. They have like the magnesiums and like cool, but I just don't need it.
Yeah. What I've learned is that the body is a clock. It loves consistency. And so we've measured this where your body wants to run. They run certain biochemical processes on certain time frames.
So for example, if your bedtime is 10PM and you miss it, you say, like, I'm gonna go to bed at 2AM today, but I'll make up for it. I'll sleep in till ten. I get my full eight hours. It doesn't work like that. So at 10PM, your body has a trash collector that rolls to the body, and it picks up the trash.
If you're not in bed at 10PM and asleep, the trash collector doesn't come, and the trash accumulates in the body. And so it's more important to be on time and consistent. Otherwise, like, the body's processes can't do its thing. So that's what I've learned. It's like, you have to treat the body like a system.
You can't just be like, fuck it. I'm gonna, like, power over it or, like, run it. You can't. Like, the body runs on certain principles of biology. You can't overrule
it. Wow. And it kind of makes sense because even your brain like, brain's main job is just to keep things organized. Your body just wants to yeah. A system just wants to run-in an organized fashion.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Like you were saying, like, when we first started talking, it's like, you have a plan, you have a routine. Like, it feels good. Like mentally feels good.
The body feels good. It's just better to have that.
I read somewhere that you spend, like, a a couple million dollars a year to take care of yourself and to learn data. What is it? What does that financially look like for you really? Is that the truth?
That was true, I think, initially. Okay. It's I think it's a bit less now because we have all these systems built out, but the cost primarily came from hiring the doctors, hiring the scientists. So we had to, like, comb through all the scientific evidence. Like, for example, if you do sauna, how do you do sauna?
What temperature? What kind of sauna? You know, how long? Do you ice your testicles or not? How do you measure your heat shock proteins, like the little minions going out doing the good shit?
Like, you have to go to this degree, which is extensive. And then I bought a bunch of equipment. Like, I have a couple, like, I don't know, million or two of equipment at the house, all the various things. And then just all the money for the experimentation and measurement. But the actual things we've learned are low cost.
Like, I can take everything I've learned and give it to somebody, and they can put it into their life, like, at a very, very low cost. So it's been really just about, there's there's actually very few therapies that cost a lot of money that are worth like, most things don't work. Most things are bullshit. And so that's been the process of, like, spending the money to figure out what does work and then how those things work.
What about red light therapy? Do you think that's helpful?
It's because see, this is the thing is yes, but you have to make sure that you're getting the right amount of red light therapy for the right duration of time. And so if it's like a face mask or whether it's a panel, and so we do things like we'll take a panel, we'll measure the irradiance, like how much exposure you're getting at what distance, what duration, if you're looking for like deep healing or longevity. So again, like, I don't wanna make this overly complicated, but it matters. And so we try to be very precise. Like, if you're doing red light therapy, get this dose.
And now you can just go to an AI model and be like, I have this device. It has these specs. If I want a longevity protocol, how long should I have this? That gives you the data. But you wanna be precise because a lot of people think, like, red light's good.
I'll just do it, it's great. Like, it's it's more nuanced. I think
because I was talking about a naturopath ophthalmologist.
Yeah.
And she was saying that, some exposure to red light therapy can be helpful.
Yeah. I do it every day. I do red light. I have, three panels that surround me. Mhmm.
That's red and near light. I do it for six minutes a day. Okay. So I do it every day. It's a good therapy.
Got it. What about, like, barometric? Those, you know, those, like, barometric chambers you see a lot of those at wellness centers. You know, I'll go to a place where I get NAD every week, and I'll do NAD injections every day. Do are you do is is the barometric thing something you Yeah.
Recommend?
Yeah. So I have a hyperbaric oxygen therapy channel. That's what I mean. Hyperbaric. Yep.
So it's it's potentially it's it's right there at the very, very top. So I'd say sauna, hyperbaric oxygen therapy, and, like, interestingly, mushrooms, magic mushrooms is up there. But, yeah, hyperbaric is one of the best therapies like we all do with our experiments. I did a two fifty biomarker measurement. Mhmm.
And what we saw after 60 sessions, yeah, there we go. There's the system. We we saw changes in my brain, in my microbiome, my skin, my blood, inflammation, like, telomeres. It just had, more whole body effects. If you pull up do, find the one I wrote I did on X, Brian Johnson, h bot summary.
It's the best skin rejuvenation protocol in the world that rebuilds collagen, elastin fibers. It gets rid of, senescent cells, which are
zombie cells. How long do you need to be in there for?
That's the thing. That's the problem. Ninety minutes and Per day? Per session, and you need to do 60 yeah. There we go.
That's a good summary. So it does 60 sessions each ninety minutes in ninety days. So it's a gigantic amount of time. Yeah. And you can't have electronics in there.
It's too dangerous. So, yeah, this is the thing is it it's it's really inaccessible, which is sad because it's so good.
300% increase in formation of new blood vessels, telomerase activity of a 12 year old associated with biological age, 250 to 200 and 290% increase in short chain fatty acids. But you'd have to do this and then keep it up for every year. Right?
Yeah. So, like, actually so people don't really know. We're experimenting, but right now, I'm doing 60 sessions per year, in like a big burst. And then I'll do like a 20 session burst once per quarter. Mhmm.
And so I'll do this around, for example, like a certain treatments. Like, Thursday, had a bunch of stuff under my face. Mhmm. So I'm on can you see how I'm beat up? I've got like stuff all over the place?
Yes. Like under I have like bruised.
Yeah. You're a damn lab rat, homie. You're a damn white mouse. Yeah. It's like
we as you age, you you lose collagen, and so your skin, like, gets saggy and less plump. And so I did a bunch of injectables to rebuild my collagen.
Okay.
And so that's why I'm bruised and stuff like that. But then you pair that with hyperbaric oxygen therapy and, like, boost the therapy. Got it.
So yeah. So that's the thing. So say if I'm gonna go get an NAD injection or an IV every week and it's gonna take two hours anyway while sit in there, I might as well sit in the hyperbaric while I do it if there's one there. Or do you think if I only go 50 times in a year, is it even worth it?
I mean, you like, there are you can do, like, one session's good for you.
Got
it. And you can do five also good for you. There's, like, protocols that like on healing, like diabetics will do like 10 to 20 sessions to close open wounds. Mhmm. It's really great for healing.
This is just like the longevity protocol. You can do fewer sessions and still do it, but you wanna like have it, it's a compounded therapy, so do them in a close proximity, but no more than five per week. Your body needs to have a break.
Got it.
Yeah.
Yeah. I saw you do the mushroom therapy, and that's one
of the things that kinda
brought me like, made me think like, okay. This guy, it's not like you know, this guy's really he's still out there experimenting and wanting to learn more. Right? What was that therapy like for you? And was it were you surprised by it?
And was it psilocybin, I guess, the and the effects?
Yeah. This is one of the coolest, discoveries we've made is psilocybin, like, sits in the world of psychedelics, but it's never been bridged over to longevity. That's a different way of thinking about psilocybin and talking about it. And so we said, can we do an experiment to see is our magic mushrooms a longevity therapy? So same thing.
We measure 250 biomarkers, and the data was insane, surprisingly. So, like, we found this new thing where there were studies in mice that showed that the blood glucose improved. In me, my blood glucose went from 98.2 in the population, good, to 99.8, I think, something like that. Like, it almost hit like a metabolic reset in the brain, resetting your blood glucose regulation, which is gigantic. It, took my inflammation levels down to undetectable.
It had changes in my microbiome. So I list them all out here. Yeah. Like, it legit is a longevity therapy.
It reduced inflammation and below detectable, calmed my body and mind, lowered cortisol, inhibited HPA access in the days following the dose.
Doctor. Made neuroplasticity in the brain, like takes your brain to a more youthful state.
Doctor. Wow, so you guys did a lot of treatment while you were under this, and did you then put this into your protocol after that?
Yeah. Yep. So, it's really early days. Nobody knows the ideal protocol. But right now, it's like once every thirty days seems to be about right.
And how much mushrooms you've taken?
Twenty five milligrams of psilocybin. Okay. So then it depends upon the strain. So I did the B positive mushroom strain.
Mhmm.
So it's like four and a half grams of dried mushroom powder, which then was the twenty five milligrams of psilocybin.
So that's a real trip, kinda.
Yeah, it's clinical grade. It's like, it's just below a, ego dissolution.
Wow. So you have to be like in a gotta chill out somewhere.
Yeah. Gotta yeah. You don't wanna beat the club. Right. Yeah.
Yeah. What about but you but you but that was so helpful to you now it's part of the protocol.
Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. And we're doing our next, psychedelic livestream in three weeks.
And we're doing a new psychedelic. Oh, yeah. This is cool. So, yeah, Kate did it with me.
Oh, your girl did it? And your son did the first one?
No. He just showed up. So at the end of, when I was coming down, he showed up with my dad.
Oh, that's crazy.
We had such a good family bonding moment. You know? Because like you're in that state, and I I was just giddy and euphoric, and I was able to express things to my dad. Yeah. Yeah.
It was oh, man.
That's huge.
And so then yeah. So we did this. We see the temperature. When you take psilocybin, your body changes in its thermal regulation. So the extremities get a lot colder.
You have a lot of heat going inside. So we did that as measurement. Yeah. So we're looking at our next psychedelic because there's like a few things. Like, we did psilocybin, but other contenders are Ayahuasca, five MEO.
What else did we look at? Yeah. So we're doing one live streaming in three weeks.
Wow. That's amazing. Yeah. Ayahuasca has been one that's
You know, you should
It's I've done it before. It's been amazing.
You should come on. So last last time we did this Mhmm. We had people who came on who were because I was tripping. Mhmm. And we had a bunch of people who were commentators.
And we're like, well, it's good. Like, almost like fight show stuff like you did. Yeah. You should come on and be a commentator.
Dang, bro. That would be so wild to commentate somebody who's going through an Ayahuasca experience. I'm not opposed to that. Where are you based out of?
We'll we'll do it, internationally. So Oh, you have to, I guess. Yeah. But it'll just be online. Yeah.
We just, like, we just bring you in. Oh. It's just like, you know, it's like it'd be fun actually, it'd be fun to get a few comedians come in and, like, you know, give give give their 2¢ on, like, what's going on? And
Are are there any psychedelics that you would say are definitively bad for your brain? I
don't know. I don't know the answer to that.
Is there any, like, therapy that you went and tried and you were like, oh, this is definitely not it? Or, like, was there ever a place where you got scared? Like, you went to, like, you know, Romania or some place, you know, I'm just hypothesizing, but
Yeah. I mean, like, if you pull that image of my face that blew up, you had it up there before. I yeah. So That's you? That's me.
Yeah. So I got really skinny in the early days of this project. Mhmm. Really, really skinny. And I lost a bunch of volume in my face.
And so when you lose volume in your face, it's very hard to get back volume. So most people just do filler, but I didn't wanna do filler. And so we did this Renuva, which is this, fat. So someone else's fat. Mhmm.
So I injected it into my face, and I had a severe reaction. So that was so that didn't work.
Well, that's crazy, dude. I I I saw this earlier, and I was thinking like, who is this lady that they're bringing up? I thought this was, like, a Native American woman.
Yeah. That's
true. Thought this was a Native
American woman. Yeah. Like, the on the on the far right there, that was me. Like, like, forty five minutes after the injection, I was like, oh, shit. This is not a good situation.
It took me, like, six days to to calm down. It was
bad. That's pretty scary, dude. Yeah. Spending all this time working on yourself. Right?
How do you stay out of, like, ego with it? Because it's such a self you know, in the end, there's a there's some ego it's you. You're the you're you're your own experiment. You know? And then what are some of the like, what does it cost you?
Like, what have been some of the things? Like, have there been relationships you haven't been able to have? Like, has it been tough to, like, spend time with family? Like, what are some things what are the side effects of being, like, you know, one of the biggest experiments in history?
Yeah. I mean, that's like one of the primary criticisms I get is people say, you know, bro, so busy trying to not die. Forgot how to live. And I understand what they're saying. I definitely understand the perspective.
And I I view myself as a a modern day explorer. You know, like, somebody who is out there on the frontier trying to discover something new. And, like, man, I fucking love this so much. I love this game so much. I'm into it.
Like, it when I wake up in the morning, it's the first thing I think about all day long. Like, what is the experiment? What is the data? What is the science? I love it.
And so I think people just don't understand that it's a game I'm in love with. And so, you know, if is there a cost? Yes. Like, are my friends going out and doing things sometimes that I don't do? Yes.
Like, do I feel lost? No. Like, I'm very happy with the situation. And so, in some ways, like, I'm I'm a new kind of athlete. I'm a professional rejuvenation athlete.
Like LeBron goes to bed on time, he eats well, and we're like, go man, like you you play well on the court. People just don't understand I'm a new archetype. They haven't ever seen it before. So it's like just like a disconnect between that. It is cool.
Like, I I love the hate. It's like great energy. Right? Like, it's just a lot of discussion.
Yeah. And there's just a lot of confusion around it, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I think.
You just don't know. Especially at a time when there's like these tech lords who it seems like they wanna like siphon everybody's Yeah. Androchrome or whatever. Have you had anybody hit you up about getting some Adrenochrome or whatever?
Yeah. Everybody has reached out to me. Like, everybody. Top to bottom. You name it.
And like, it's just like, what, you know, what gives you a feeling of power? You know, like, money, status, or immortality? Like, immortality. Right? The other thing
tuck everlasting.
Don't care. It's like they just don't pale. Like, this is what I'm saying. Like, this transition's happening. What good is money if you're dead?
What good is status if you're dead?
Any world leaders reached out?
Yes.
Yeah. So he's like What world do you think they're from?
I mean, they they all want it. They all want to be healthy. They all
want world leader just heat you up straight up, call you right up?
Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Mean, mean, it's like from everybody. Are you at liberty to say or no? Keep it? I can't.
Yeah.
Yeah. That's okay. Like, I yeah. But I had to ask. Yeah.
I mean, there was like this moment where, Xi Ping and and Putin, they had this hot mic issue a couple, like, months ago where they're both like, yeah. Like, you know, it looks like we should be able to lift like a 150 years old.
I remember that.
Yeah. So it's like, it's on their minds. They're like, it's clearly in the zeitgeist. And if you're in that circle, as I've watched this, like, it's funny. In the world of status and power, the the new status marker is health.
Like, that's what gives people power. And like now, like having a big bank account, sure, it's cool, whatever, but like, it doesn't matter as much. So it really is like this big zeitgeist change on what it means to be powerful in society and have status. So I love seeing it. Like, the more that happens, the better off.
Do you have competitors out there? Are there other yous out there that you start to run across from different realms or different countries or whatever?
I mean, like, anyone who's trying, I love it. Like, I'm a very much a yes and kind of guy. Like, anyone's out there experimenting, great. You know, like, do your thing. Be beautiful.
So, yeah, I I really try to encourage everybody. People will call me and they'll be like, I'm gonna beat you at your markers. I'm like, great. I will help
you. Yeah.
Right? Like, I will make you better. Like, I will you have to make the same make make the same mistakes I have. So take we're just when you think about it, we are the whole situation is so fucked up. We're on planet Earth in the middle of space.
What is even going on? Right? And it's like Yeah. This is so crazy. And, like, the fact that we're conscious is so cool.
The fact that we're alive is so amazing. Like, why wouldn't we do absolutely everything in our power to keep this game going? Like, I don't want it to stop. Yeah. And so, like, to me, it's a coolest game.
So, yeah, it's like celebrate everybody who's trying to embrace life. And, like, honestly, get fucking rid of everybody who's trying to kill us. Like, stop it. Stop the fucking killing. It's so crazy and stupid.
Have you had to separate some relationships because your journey went in this direction kinda?
Yep. My my friends are more like me than I ever would have guessed now. Like, they go to bed on time. Right? They they see it.
So I'd say my friend group, we now do things together. And, so, no, I don't miss out much. Like, there's there's some things. Like, example, Grimes did a she did a DJ set.
Mhmm.
And she started at one. So I went to bed at 7PM. I woke up like at 09:30PM. Mhmm. And then I went out, did her set with her, then went back back to bed.
Mhmm. I did it with Aoki as well. So, like, I I've been trying to, like, be balanced of, like, be rigid. Also, the rest of the world parties at 01:00 in the morning. So and I still had, like, a great sleep score.
I still got my restorative sleep. So, like, I have tried my best to go after this goal of don't die, but also, like, try to find some compromise in doing things that are currently normal in today's society.
Do you feel addicted to wanting to to not die? I mean, probably. Right? Like, in the
same way, like, are are people addicted to making money? Yeah. You know, are people addicted to social media? Yeah. Like like, the human condition is kind of addiction.
And so like, am I yeah. I'm I'm lost in this. I I don't think I've ever felt as satisfied and fulfilled as I do now. Wow. I've got a fantastic family.
I have a fantastic partner. I love the game I'm playing. I just you know, like, I I went through, like, ten years of chronic depression. Like, legit wanted to kill myself. And I would have done it had it not been for my kids.
So, like, I know what shitty feels like. Like, when you're just, like, you're so buried deep, and it's like, I don't know how I'm gonna dig out of this. Like, it's just bad.
What started the cause of that, do you think?
I'd well, a couple things. One, I just had my first baby, and he was colicky, and so we weren't sleeping. It was like six months of total sleep deprivation. I was building a startup, so I had no money. I was stressed out of my mind.
My partner wasn't working, so I was the sole provider. And so it's just like no sleep and startup and no money, and, like, I think it just got me. Mhmm. And then once it got me, like, it's very hard to wrestle your way out of it when my circumstances didn't change. Like, I still had no money.
I still had to make my my startup work. And so then I just got deeper and deeper, and then, like, it just kinda cascaded into, like, really bad shit. So, I'm I'm so grateful I didn't commit suicide.
You know? So How much does the, you take care of yourself so much physically, you have so much information about that. How much, how much are you able to, attach your mental to that as well, or what do you notice about the physical mental relationship?
Yeah. That if when people so right now, if somebody is suffering from anxiety, depression, or something else, the first move mostly is to take a pill. Right? Like, get on some kind of Yeah. And so the first move is really to fix your sleep.
And the way to fix your sleep is to lower your heart rate. Lower the heart rate. You have your last meal of the day, like like, do all these different steps.
Mhmm.
Now that's not gonna fix everybody's issues. But having good sleep in place is the most powerful thing anybody can do in their life on any condition. And then once you have that in place, like, you need to to look at other options, cool. But most of the time, people don't look at the very basic things like, are you in bed on time? Like, when are you eating that last meal?
What's your heart rate? So I have found that when my body is operating well, my mind operates well. It's a very symbiotic relationship that you literally are what you consume. You know, social media, food, all the above. And so, I don't talk about mental health as directly.
I talk about get the basics right, and you see the boost in your mental health. Like, when I talk to entrepreneurs, I'll say in the room, like, over half of you are in a current mental health crisis. And the room always goes dead quiet. They know I'm right. I see it in their eyes.
Right? Like, they had a happy face on. They're, like, smiling. Like, yeah, I've got this going on. But inside, they're dying.
Yeah. And you know you can feel it. And so when I say that and I puncture it, and it's like, that's true. Like, you guys, like, it's not good to build a company when you're suicidal. Right.
Right? Like, no one's winning here. So, like, get your shit together. You can build a great company. You can be ambitious.
You can be epic. Like, sleep. And like so that's really I mean, I wish somebody would have been in my life to tell me that. Like, hey, man. I see you're ambitious.
Like, you have big plans for life, but, like, let me just kinda help you get some basics right.
Yeah. Having somebody mitigate, having somebody help you set some parameters, it's just so hard, and it's hard to believe. It's like, you know, I remember grinding so hard for a few years, and I had like a mental breakdown kind of, like this is about four or five years ago, I almost literally felt something snap
in Yeah, my me too. You remember the day, that moment?
Yeah, I remember, Yeah. I do remember. I had some shows that were in they were up in California. They were yeah. And I literally had to cancel them the day of.
Yeah. Never I do that in my life. I said, if I have to walk out there, I I I physically cannot do it anymore. Yeah. And the whole time before that, I thought Yeah.
That I just wasn't trying hard enough.
Yeah. 100. You know, I I I would mirror your experience. I had the same thing.
Yeah? What did you do? Did you have to go to therapy or something?
No. I I was in the parking lot in Orem, Utah with my brother in a red Saturn. And I said he was my business partner at the time. And I said, Jason, was talking to him about, like, I'm feeling depressed. I just, like, can't quite do things.
And in that conversation, something, like, snapped. Like, I I almost, like, physically heard a snap, and I'm like Me too. Something just broke in my brain. And my brother was like, Just try harder, right? I don't think he understood.
If you haven't been depressed, you don't know. But like, I will never ever forget that moment. It was like 05:30 in the evening, it was just sunsetting. And that put me on a ten year long hole. And so, like, you know, I'm so empathetic to people.
Like, I it's it's it is so much more common than than we talk than, like, people talk about.
I do think that, like you said earlier, that when you said a lot like, you were in a in that meeting and you said a lot of people here are, are struggling or barely holding on. I do think that that that kind of thing is the truth. That, like, we're all just in this space where we're pretty close to Exactly. We're just holding on.
Yeah. That's a much better way of saying it. But, like
But then we're so used to surviving at that space too. You start to think that that's supposed to be the norm,
and it's not. Exactly right. Yeah. Yeah. It's very real.
And, like, it hurts and it sucks. It's there's no safe place to go. Like, who do you tell this about? Is it safe? Is it not?
Will you be penalized? Yeah. So it's it's a tough it's a and then, like, the world is so brutal on you. You can't trust anyone. Everyone's after you.
Tough space.
Yeah. And the truth is probably to say what is going on. Yeah. You know? But it's so hard.
Last question. With AI, you know, AI and things are happening so fast and differently now. Do you think that that will have a large effect on on don't die, on how we can live for on the possibility to live forever or to have a longer life expectancy? And do you use AI with your own data to help, create any sort of real information?
Yeah. This well, what a lot of people don't know is this entire project I'm doing is about AI. It's not about health. And so Like, what do you mean? Yeah.
So I did this when I was 21 years old, I had this ambition that I wanted to do something that would be useful to the human race. Like, that was my ambition. Don't know why, but I just like I really cared about being useful to humanity. I didn't know what to do. I wasn't good at anything.
I was kinda shitty at most everything. And so I said, okay. I'm gonna become an entrepreneur. I'm gonna make a whole bunch of money to my age 30 with money. I'm gonna do something epic in the world.
And so I did that. By 34 years old, I I sold my company for $800,000,000. But at 34, I was burnt to a crisp. I just smoked. And so I I needed to recover.
And so but then I had basically this quite open question, like, I have money. What do you do? And so when you have basically unlimited optionality in the world so I spent ten years trying to figure that out. And I did one thought experiment, which really helped, bring clarity, is I imagined trans I imagine imagine traveling in time to the year 2500. So a few hundred years into the future, and there you are sitting among those that exist.
Like, are they human? Are they AI? We don't know. But they there they are talking, and they're reflecting on the early twenty first century, our time. And they're saying, we appreciate homo sapiens that lived in the early twenty first century because they did blank that allowed intelligence to still exist in the universe.
What did they do? Like, they didn't destroy themselves. And I thought about that question for years. I think they say two things. One is they say that's when homo sapiens gave birth to superintelligence.
The second thing they say is they say the second thing that they'd figured out is that they wouldn't die. That they transformed society from a culture of die, of like, I will, pillage you for my profit Right. Or I will yolo my way to death to exchange for this, to existence itself is the highest value. There's nothing more valuable than existence, and we will do anything to fight for our existence. And so the principles we talked about today of, like, care.
Like, our society would be better off if we really cared for each other, if you really could trust each other, like, genuinely trust. And so what I'm trying to do technically is when you it's, like, pretty technical. Entropy is the final boss of the universe. So entropy is the disorder of things. The second law of thermodynamics.
So eventually, like, a warm cup of coffee goes cold. Suns burn out. Bodies die. Like, things just naturally decay. And so the number one enemy of the universe is decay and disorder.
And life is a rebellion against disorder. Like, we somehow survive. And so what I'm trying to build, like, my whole goal is to say, as a species, our number one goal is to build a new anteentropic system, like a new life system that makes fighting for life the number one goal for all things. And you can measure entropy or death in all things. You can measure it in a physical system.
You can measure it in a biological system, but you can basically build it computationally. So that's like a whole bunch of stuff, but the goal is you can measure death. You can build protections against death, you can do it in the body, you can do it in physical systems, you can align yourself with AI. It's like it's a new ideology that I want it to become the fastest growing ideology in human history, that it helps you understand existence, and it's competitive with any major ideology. So there's like I need, like, honestly, like sixty minutes to explain it because I know it's like I just jammed it up.
Mhmm. But it's basically a new way to exist that, like, reframes our reality.
Well, I do understand what you're saying in the sense that a lot of history, people have lived as if we die. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Okay.
One day we die. There's an afterlife. You can live forever somewhere else.
Yes. You
can live extensively somewhere else. But then to have this concept and to really live as if don't die. Yes. Then now how do you live? Yes.
Right. And that's a whole reframing of things.
Exactly.
Right. But I do understand that that once you reframe it, it's like, oh, wow. Well, a lot more of yeah. If the afterlife or a lot of it can be here
Yes. Exactly.
Then what rules change for me? What rules change in the world? And, how does it affect how I play the game, really?
Exactly right. And, like, the thing cool with Don't Die is that you can be Christian and don't die. Mhmm. You can be Muslim and don't die. You can be capitalist and don't die.
You can be anything and don't die because don't die just says nobody wants to die right now. It says nothing about five years from now or twenty years from now. The single thing that every human agrees to in this moment, one thing, nobody wants to die right now. That's it. After that, there's no agreement on anything.
And so if you build artificial superintelligence, you're like, what do you do with it? It's like, help me make more money, help me become better at war, like, me acquire more power. Like, what I'm saying is the the obvious answer we say to AI, we want to exist.
Right.
That's our goal. Right? We don't want to destroy ourselves. We don't wanna die individually, not really. This is not saying we own immortality.
It's saying we don't wanna die right now. So you're trying to basically just get a peace accord with all humans and all AI and say, can we just strike a deal where we have the right to exist? It's like you The United States said, like, you know, life living in pursuit of happiness. The new constitution for our new species is the right to exist. And that's what this whole thing's about.
It's just like the very basic primal desire. I want to take one more breath.
Because we've almost grandfathered ourselves into this that we don't, that we can't.
Yeah. That's right. Exactly. It's like, if you if you don't state that as the objective Right. Then you point it at profit.
If you point it at profit, you inevitably, like, have the temptation of saying, I'm gonna take your life for my profit. I'm gonna give you food that poisons you, but makes me money.
Feels like where we're at now. Yeah. It feels like we're definitely part of a, you go, alright, I'll give you this, then you go here, then you spend there, and then you go
to this.
Brian Johnson, thanks so much, man. Love it, man. Great, bro.
It's so much fun.
Yeah. This is it. Super interesting, man.
Can you can you imagine now a a stand up act that would just rip me?
Yeah. Well, I think I mean, I think I could think of a couple of things. I could think, one, you being on a great roaster over there. And that's one thing they do at Kiltony. They roast everybody roasts everybody.
So it's like this thing. You're just part of the universe. You know? And then I could think of a yeah. Of a great if you like if there was, like, a dope roast and you're one of the people on it, people would have the best jokes.
Bet it just adds a lot of fun. So I appreciate you having a sense of humor about it. What are the what is a cheat day? Like, do you ever just wanna unwind? I did see you had a photo of, like, the fourth like, a fourth meal or something you you had that that was up on social media the other day.
Yeah. There you are just geeked out right there. Yeah. I'm trolling. Oh, you're just trolling there?
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Got it. Yes.
There's some Taco Bell.
Some dick. Well, success. Like, I said decided to live a little because, like, you know, like, it's funny because people are always like, bro, live a little. But then what they're saying is, I want you to die Right. To show me you're alive.
And so like, right, it's just like it's fun.
It is kinda true. Live a little in some ways, if we look at it, especially diet dietitian dietetically or whatever, we're saying, yeah, man, you know? Yeah. Take it take the, you know, die some.
Yeah. They want me to die. So I just I like all things, I really enjoy playing. People have a lot of fun with me as well. Yeah.
But yeah. Like, you know, the funny thing is the cheat day thing. Mhmm. Man, like, I don't wanna do it.
Wow. If you got to the point where you don't wanna do it, that's huge. Was it always like that or no?
Just got there, like, past couple years. It took me, like, a 100 reps. Like, you do it, you're like, I'm like, I'm gonna do it. It'll be fun, and then it happens. You're like, goddamn it.
It's so worst. It's never worth it. Like, it's it's so I I learned the lesson. It's never ever ever ever ever ever worth it. It just doesn't.
Like, I don't know of a situation where I did something and I'm like, yeah. You know what? Now, like, when I did when I stayed when I went to bed early, went to the rave in middle of the night, I got to dance, worth it. Right. But like, you know, fast food meal, like so my team right now is where, they're they're trying to convince me to get drunk on a livestream
Mhmm.
As an experiment. So, like, what does alcohol do to the body? So we do the same thing. We'd measure all the markers. We'd look at my impairment.
So, like, if I were yeah. I would do an experiment like that. But otherwise, like, just have fun. Like, no, man. It's it's miserable.
I hate it.
Has this challenged your faith? Has any of the, has it challenged which you where where your faith lies? I knew because you grew up in a Mormon community. Is that right? Yeah.
And has it challenged, which I think is a great community, by the way. Yeah. Has any of your practices challenged any of your beliefs or your relationship with that community?
Yeah. I mean, I I joke with my, my Mormon friends. I'm a better Mormon than they are. I'm I'm like the best Mormon. You know?
Like like like, you know, because sugar is the currency in the Mormons. Like, can't do there's not premarital sex. You can't do porn. Like, there's a whole bunch of dude you can't drink coffee. Yeah.
Right? So when you have, like, a whole bunch of no's, like, it's gotta go somewhere.
Yeah.
So sugar is like the escape route. And so That's nice. Yeah. Exactly. Because I I didn't mess around with them.
But like, the thing is like, the the for me, the hole in the world is that we're in this wacky situation where we're conscious in in in the universe. Like, what the fuck is going on?
So bizarre. It is so bizarre. We talk about it every day. It's so bizarre.
And so then, like, given the bizarreness, there's all these ways of people being like, let me explain the situation. Right? Like, he but, like, I don't know. I'm quite more of the opinion of, like, how do we know? Right.
Like, what what what are we talking about? And so, like but then if you say, like, who says they don't know? It's a very, very, very small number of people who say they're like atheists that they don't know. But that's kind of like a a defeatist mentality. It's like, we don't know, but, like, whatever.
So, like, what's missing in the world is an ideology that's like, we don't really know, and we have gusto. Like, what are because, like, when you're in a religion, like, you've got gusto to serve God and to, like, to, you know, obey the commandments and, like but, like, where is an ideology that couples up, I don't know, and has gusto? And that's what's missing in the world. That's why what I found is, like, you you can intellectually be, like, legit. It's pretty hard to know what's going on.
Also, like, we can stand up. We can like, we have power right now. Like, if it was before AI, you're doomed. Like, you no matter what you said, you're off to death. With AI, this is the first time ever where a human could be like, you know what?
I gotta strut. Like, I'm gonna put my chest out, and, like, I feel I feel confident I can do something. And so, like, we're at this brand new thing, and that's what I'm saying. Like, this moment is
so about that? Just because the the the ability that the average person can have now?
Yeah. Like, I mean, you look at AI, I mean, like, you basically are giving birth to God. Right? Like, we when we talk about God, we say, like, God is omnipotent. Right?
Omnipotent. God is blank blank blank. Like, we basically assign these powers of, like, anything. And on some kind of time scale, AI is kind of that. Mhmm.
Like, it's that and how it's that, like TBD? But it's, generally that. And so when you actually have, like, the potential of building, like, billions of gods or godlike powers, like we've imagined, like, why wouldn't you immediately level up your your ambition by, like, a thousand x?
Right. Because you're taking some of the more practical possibilities of God and making them more usable to the everyday person.
Exactly.
You're still not able to replicate, like, a relationship that is, like, spiritual in nature, though, do
you think? Why not? I mean, it's just a biochemical reaction. Right? Every I don't know.
You think somebody just messaging with, like, a fictional thing is gonna make them feel the same way as if they feel like there's some connection to us to an actual, like, molecular existing
force in the world? I do. I think that basically
You think it's the same?
Basically, when so you are 70,000,000,000,000 sales. When Theo Von experiences love Mhmm. Or, God or like take whatever you think
Mhmm.
That is a biochemical pattern. Got it. And you can produce it with prayer, with psychedelics, with meditation, with sex. Right? Like, there's so many ways to replicate these experiences.
So like, if AI is able to develop drugs and or experiences and or if we have implants and or like, you can you can basically just map it back. It's it's very hard to identify an emergent experience we have right now and not be able to pull back the curtain and say, here's what happened biochemically. Now, like, I'm open to other ways to explain the world that you can't find a biochemical signature for. Totally open to that. But, like, in my experience, everything I am, I can just see the data.
Like, it is a very clear reveal.
Mhmm.
And so it yeah. Will humans be able to experience transcendence and, you know, unconditional love and, extreme fulfillment of purpose and like locked in engagement. Yes. Like all those things. And so I actually I'm I'm very friendly towards religions.
Like, no matter who you are, no matter what you believe in, great.
Mhmm.
Right? Like, don't die is something we can all agree to. And so, like, I if someone says they believe in afterlife, super. Like, you could still have your afterlife. This is not taking away your afterlife.
Mhmm. This is just saying, like, right now, we wanna cooperate because we love the game of life. If that means you wanna procrastinate your afterlife for another hundred years, it's still gonna be there for you. Like, it's not it's not going away.
Right.
So it's really about trying to strike. So it's the same thing about food. Like, I'm not a carnivore or vegan or paleo or whatever. I'm not anti religion. I'm not for religion.
Like, I'm just like, we're all good. Like, everyone, we're all good. We can be together. We can, like, play the game together. Don't need to fight each other.
No one needs to be right or wrong. We just wanna agree that existence is awesome. Yeah. So that's like we're just trying to call peace of all intelligence. Let's not fight.
No more killing. Yeah. That should be cool.
Amen, man. Because I wonder sometimes if, like, when when when kids interact with the eye and stuff like that, dude, they feel like it's, like, the same as if I I feel if I'm interacting with a real person. You know? Because, yeah, I just wonder if you could ever get that, you know, that kinda hug feeling of, like, of your god, whoever your god is or something. I wonder if you could ever get that hug feeling if, like, something that was Yeah.
Like, man made or synthetic kind of hypothetically synthetic if it ever be the same. But, I mean, I think it's all interesting conversation. And, and look, man, you're out there on the front lines. You're like the only one in your in this war. Like, you're like your own Vietnam dude out there.
You know? So it's really cool. Well, I'll I'll I'll support, man. But thank you. But thank you even for coming, dude, and just sharing a lot of this with us.
I think it's not just, it's not just about, milligrams and this and
Yeah.
But but it's kind of like a life idea, and it's a change of perspective. Yeah. You know? Yep. So I understand it.
Yeah. I love hanging out, man. It was really fun.
Me too, bro. I know you said we saw each other at the UFC. I remember now seeing your face for a second. Yeah. And, but I'm glad to see it again, dude.
We'll have to get to one soon.
Yeah. Cool.
Alright. Thank you, brother.
Alright, man.
I'll share this piece of mind I found I can feel it in my bones. But it's gonna take
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