Bryan Johnson _ This Past Weekend w_ Theo Von #644 [l8IHPKv7OCw]
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Today's guest is a longevity expert. He's a health advocate. He's basically his own guinea pig. You know? He's kind of the doctor and Frankenstein in a way.
He's an entrepreneur. He's been experimenting on himself, trying to beat the final chapter, the coffin. Yep. He wants to live forever, and we're gonna learn about it. I'm grateful to have a conversation today, which we gotta do quickly because I think he's gotta be in bed at, 4PM.
I'm very happy that he's here. Today's guest is mister Brian Johnson. Yeah. This lemon water, dude, I drink this a lot. I hear that it's good for inflammation.
Yeah.
And I do a lot of fasting. And so that's been something that on a fast, I will have this. Yeah. A certain amount.
I like the chunks of ginger, man. That's that's solid. Oh, yeah. Did you on those? No.
Yeah. Have you done that? Nuh-uh. It's it's good. I mean, it's
Is that a thing, chewing on ginger chunks? Yeah. Wow. Never even thought of that. What do you know exactly what it does?
You just feel the vibes of it.
Yeah. It's it's very strong vibe.
So Yeah.
Yeah. It's a nice reward at the end. Like, Lemmy gives you a punch in the face. Ginger does something similar.
Yeah. Maybe I'll throw one in the old
You feel better after doing it, though?
I just feel like I'm on on I have a plan, and then I'm sticking to it.
Isn't that so much of life is like that? I feel like, kinda doesn't matter if it works, but like if it's like a thing, it's structured, planned, kind of just the thing.
Yeah. Well, it starts to give me a little bit like of integrity with myself, you know, and it becomes kind of a pattern. That's been one of the toughest things I think for me. And and I would guess probably for most people is just starting a pattern sometimes. You know?
Yeah.
Yeah. I feel like that's kind of been one of the things.
Then it keeps you from the negative patterns.
Yeah. Well, it's like, well, if I know if I have this to do tomorrow and it's a positive thing, then sometimes it's like if there's something negative the night before or it's somewhat, I'm like, I can't do it. I already have a commitment. You know?
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. But it has been tough. I go in spurts where sometimes it's it's better than others, but honoring like commitments to myself, having that in you know, and and just building that integrity that I know I'm gonna be here for myself every day.
Yeah.
That's been a challenge for me. It's gotten better over time, but it's been a tough that's been probably one of my tougher things. I would imagine it might be for most for a lot of folks.
Yeah. Like, it's like the disconnect between, like, what you want to do and then what you actually do. Yeah. Which is like the the human condition. Like, what our existence is defined by.
And like, how how big is that divide probably determines if you're happy or not in life.
Yeah. I think you're right. I mean, that's one of the things that I think about the most is how far away am I from what I would like to be doing, what my behaviors would like to be.
Yeah. Where are at now in life? Like, I mean, you've gone through various stages. How would you assess now?
I think like with work, work and things like that have been good. You know, that stuff has been good. I think, you know, on the wellness side of like, probably emotional wellness, You know, I've suffered with like a or I've I've dealt with like a lot of like, connectivity disorders, like relationship stuff, commitment, you know, like, probably wishing I was making better choices with my, like, dating and social life at times. And, you know, sometimes if someone will show interest, I'll kind of I'll have to see what's there. Whereas, sometimes, if I know it's not even a good fit, you know?
So that's probably been one of the tougher things. It's probably been my emotional addictive behavior.
Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm I because I'm newly in a a partnership, the best relationship of my life. Really? We've been together for for a couple years now.
And, it is like I mean, it is the single thing in life that makes me more happy than anything. You know, like, it's relationships are so tough. And especially when they tip to acrimony.
What does acrimony mean?
Just like when it's a it's a negative state. You know, when there's like bickering and like finding fault and trying to correct and the inability to to resolve conflict, when there's a negative vibe and it just kind of persists in this low level where it's always unsettled, there's just nothing worse. And I mean, that's true in business relationships. It's true in personal relationships, friendships, all kinds. And like, what I have now is just so good.
Let's go.
Yeah. Yeah. So I I feel you. And without it, it I mean, it's tough to be alone. You know?
It's tough to be like trying to date, build relationships and not work out and go to the next one. It's tiring to like repeat that again and again.
Yeah. Yeah. I think that is that's that's definitely true. And then it's like you start to compartmentalize things. Okay.
Well, I'll just go on a date here. I'll just, you know, have this part of my relationship or intimacy here. And it's like, you know, and that's not that's not the healthiest way to operate either. But congratulations. Yeah.
They just show your lady right there.
Yeah. It's Ketolo. Oh,
beautiful lady, man. Congratulations. You guys are smiling in that picture too.
Oh, man. We we have so much fun together.
I mean,
we it's like I get teary just even talking about it. We laugh and play. It's just so good.
Yes. She really does something for you.
She does, man. Like, you know, like, I was, I wrote this up online. I was thinking I'm a big fan of Ernest Shackleton. And he was just a The explorer? Yeah.
Exactly. So he did the the trans, Antarctic expedition. He was trying to go pull, you know, short of shore for the first time.
And So from top to bottom?
For just down to the the South Pole from, like, one side to the other other side.
Okay. Just at the South Pole.
Yeah. So they got in the they got the ship all prepared. They got all their materials, you know, like, enough food and and materials for the entire duration. They get stuck in the ice before they even get there, early winter. And then the entire book is about this insane survival story.
Like, what they went through, and not a single man in his crew died. But when you read what he went through, it's just unimaginable that they were able to endure these kinds of things. And I know this is, like it's a too too dramatic of a comparison, but there was some similarities. Was thinking before, like, what does it feel like to not have deep companionship in my life? Where I've had relationships and they weren't good.
Right? They ended up being bad. And then having something that is good, it felt like I'm sure what Shackleton and his crew felt like putting their feet on land after being adrift in the ocean for, you know, I don't know what the total duration of time is, maybe a year, but just like stable, sturdy, solid, you know, instead of like, what's happening today? What do I have to deal with? Is my life at risk?
Like, just all the emotional whiplash you get and like challenges certainly. And when you're by yourself, it's also harder to self regulate. It's harder to calm yourself down. It's nice when someone else is there to kind of be like a Oh, get a hug. Yeah.
A 100%.
Oh. Yeah. I got hug the other day. I I was I saw my friend in in LA, and I got a hug, and and she just kinda gave me like a she gave me a nice hug. Yeah.
And then I was like, I'm gonna stay in this hug.
Let me just yep.
Like, throw in there. Phone.
Yeah.
Yeah. Oh.
Yeah. Yeah. So, like, was she like a 10 out of 10 hugger?
She you know what? She surprised me because but, yeah, she got she got a good hug on her. That's for sure.
You know, some people are just like gifted huggers. They right? They just know how to, like, bring it in and, like, somehow the arm from the chest and, like, the whole thing just fits like a puzzle piece.
Yeah. Like, even like a lot of times. Yeah. We talked about before, like, a grandmother will hug you so well. Yeah.
Sometimes yeah. I've, like, I've always kind of, I guess, been that I'll do the one arm hug. I hug a lot, though. I hug a lot. I think sometimes it catches people off guard.
People like Yeah. What's going on, man? Yeah. I
don't just want to hug this person. But open up a hug bank. You know what they should do? Yeah. Those places where they had pay phones before, they should have somebody stand there, put a quarter in their pocket, and they got a hug, you know?
It's like one of the most underappreciated things.
Yes. Relaunch the hug. I think they got it. Well, I think we're ready for it. Brian Johnson, thanks for coming in, man.
Yeah, man.
Thanks for to meet you, bro.
Yeah. It's good to see you.
It's a pleasure, dude. I think you're different than maybe what I seem like you. I thought you would seem a little bit more like a robot.
You know, I get that so much. I mean, p I've had several people think know, approach me like, are you AI? You know, like, like, really believing that's the case. So I I think I am robotic. I think I'm somewhere neurodivergent in in some areas.
So I think people are just confused by me generally. So I I understand that.
Like, yeah, that was my thought. But it you seemed way more normal than that. Like, just like a regular dude who's been, like, you know, doing wild shit with his blood. You know? Like, you know, you seem just more like a like a chill ass kind of Dracula type of a
What was your what did you expect?
I think I'd expected somebody that seemed to be honest to have a like, more of a sense of and this is just a wild generalization, and this is probably not the best word, but more of like an autism to them.
Yeah.
And I don't yeah. I didn't get that at all. I just got like a warm guy, who seems like a lot more engaging than other people I've met who I've thought similar things about.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just it's just hiding. It will manifest in a few minutes.
Yeah.
I was gonna saying. When it starts to bubble up
That's right. Yeah.
When your keeper, whoever's operating you on an on the app
That's right. Yeah. Yeah.
Just turns up and turn.
The mask slowly starts slipping. It's like
Oh, yeah. Like your database is showing, dude,
or something. Yeah. Exactly.
So just so our viewers know, so many people know about you now, man. There's so many clips you out there. You've kind of you're kind of this astronaut that hasn't left the planet in a way, kind of. Because it's like, you know, you're kind of using yourself as an experiment. That's what it seems.
You know, you're life maxing. That's what people say. Can you just explain to us kind of what your general sort of goal is, or what your motive has been?
Yeah. So I'd say, here's an example for you. In in 1870 Mhmm. The big talk of the town was there was this divide over this guy who had ideas that the reason why Ideas? Yeah.
Okay. Around the reason why people were getting sick and dying is because of these microscopic objects called bacteria. And half the town was like, that's stupid as fuck. What are you talking about? The other half was like, honestly, that could be legit.
Now, like, they didn't have the ability to see these microscopic objects. It turned out, it's true. These microscopic objects are called bacteria. Right? They can cause infection.
So if you don't wash your hands in between surgery, or when you're maintaining hygiene practices, you get infection and risk increase your risk of dying. And so that's the kind of example where a new idea showed up. It was seen as crazy. And, eventually, it turned out to be true. And now, today, we're like, oh, of course, like
That happens every every year.
Every year. Yeah. Exactly. And so the idea I'm basically suggesting to the world is that we've reached a point of humans on the planet where we may not die. Now that sounds batshit crazy.
Whereas in we can live forever.
Not even forever. Right? Because it's a kind of concept we understand. It's just that we might be able to extend our lifespans to horizons where we can't really imagine. For example, like, January, 200, 500, a thousand, like, some number we don't even know Mhmm.
That breaks our brains. So it's just not like a seventy year expectancy. Right? It's something much longer. And it could be the case that as our lifespans are extended, they get longer and longer and longer and longer.
We can't quite see the end horizon. So that's what I'm suggesting is we are at that point with technology. We may be the first generations of humans who don't die. Now if that's the case, everything changes. And so that's what I've been trying to do is to say that if that is the case, how does a human behave?
What do they do? And so that's the whole that's why it's so controversial is because you take status quo and it's like, if we're all gonna die anyways, well, bro, you might as well, right, like do all the stuff people do today.
Right. Drink PBR or whatever, floor it, you know? Send it.
You know? Exactly.
Yeah. Knock up some woman or man now. I think you can even knock up. You're like, what's happening? Yeah.
But I see what you're saying. So, like, if you if you say if you got to the finish line and like, oh, you can't cross the finish line anymore. You're like, oh, if I'd have known that, would have ran the race
Exactly right. So differently. Exactly. Or back at night night, you
I would have taken my time along the race. Instead, now I'm just standing there at the finish line decrepit or, like, with, you know, just, like, aftermarket pieces and stuff. Yeah. And, and I would have done it differently.
That's right. So, like, right now, like, you basically, if everybody dies, then you're playing a game of YOLO. And so then your game of YOLO is like, okay, what am I willing to well, I'm willing to trade life for what? And so, for example, in the world I came from, entrepreneurship, the playbook is you don't sleep, you don't take care of your health, you run yourself ragged, you try very hard to make a whole bunch of money, but in doing that, you burn yourself to a crisp. Yeah.
Right? And then you end up and you're like fat, You're like forty years older than when you started.
Your family's falling apart. You're a crisp or you don't have one.
Exactly. But you're just burnt to a crisp. That's what happened to me. And so you basically say, I'm willing to trade life for this money because there's this idea of if you have money, then you get blank. And so you're making this explicit trade off.
I'm willing to trade my conscious existence for money. And I'm saying that trade no longer makes sense. It no longer makes sense to die for something like that. Now we all have, like, practical things. We need to pay our bills and stuff like that, but I'm trying to basically say we're we're a society that has built a society of die, and I'm working on don't die as the new way of being human.
So that's, like, the gist of
But is it do you think it's easier to say that once you have some money and once you have like a you know, you have a place where you're like, okay, you know, I know that I'm gonna be okay. Like, it's like, do you think you would have been able to switch that mindset before having because then you got a company and you guys sold it for, you know, a a great deal of money
and Yeah.
Congratulations. Thanks. And and yeah. And that's, that's the American dream, you know? But do you think you would have been able to have that same mindset before?
Because that mindset before is like, yeah, grind, get this money, everything will be good. And it kind of is nice in some ways because there's a goal there. Yeah. Do you think you could have had it before or is it easier to have now?
Yeah. Mean, there's there's two parts to this. One is I'm saying that, like, fast food companies like McDonald's and Wendy's, they're evil. They use science to make food that addicts you to their food. Right?
They're building addiction.
For
sure. Social media algorithms, they're building addiction. Right? Vape, porn, alcohol, smoking, like basically, as a society, we have a predator prey relationship where companies prey upon individuals with the best science and technology possible and extract from them life for profit. Mhmm.
And so first of the observation I'm saying is, hey, companies, stop being evil. Like, don't use your powers to make people addicted, to make them you know, to take their life from them. Mhmm. And then two is, it's don't wanna blame people because I know that's I that's it's easy for me to say this once I've been on the other side. So one, I'm just trying to say like, hey.
This this is fucked up. Right. Number two is I try to be a really positive role in people's lives to say like, if you're ambitious and you do wanna make a whole bunch of money, for example, here's a playbook. Right? Like, the idea that you're better off working eighteen hours a day and sleeping four is just scientifically wrong.
Ah, I got it. Right?
So like, if you're gonna work really hard, make sure you get eight hours of sleep, make sure you do a little bit of exercise, eat well, but you're not gonna be doing yourself a favor if you're eating trash. Right? Not sleeping well and not working out. Like, it makes your system like, for an engineer, it means like nobody wants to write shitty code. If you don't take care of yourself, you are shitty code.
It's like, don't be shitty code and try to build life. Mhmm. And so those are the two things. But I I wanna be very clear. Like, I'm not blaming people.
We just live in a fucked up think it sounds
like that.
We live in a fucked up society. Yeah. And I'm trying to call attention to the fact that, like, like, the system you're playing in is not a good one.
And it's heavily stacked against people. It is especially if there's a lot of things where it is addiction based. Like, oh, they know there's so much information now of how to get you addicted down to the molecule, down to, like, the moment of what you're looking at on your phone.
Yeah.
That it really is a war. It's a battle for your preservation. It's like it used to be that, you know, the man had to wake up and he was he had to know where the predator was, where the apex predators are. Yeah. And now the apex predators are in they're, you know, they're in our homes.
They're in our hands. And it it really is. It's Yeah. It's still a it's a battle. And that is a battle.
It's like if you wanna take it on. And then some days and moments and some people's lives are like, you know, I don't really wanna take that battle on. And that's kind of okay too. But I think knowing that the battle is there is pretty Yeah. At least makes it that all the cards are on the table.
Yeah. Yeah. I saw that you recently, you did a social media fast, right?
Yeah, I did.
Yeah. Take me through some of that. What was that like?
Yeah. So, at first, I love social media. I think it's so much fun.
We have great stuff on X. It's like you can't even scroll through X without finding something that's great from Brian Johnson. And a lot of it's really great information too. Oh, here's the voice. Right?
I did a forty hour and then a seventy hour social media pass. I've come to believe that social media is pollution.
Yeah. So first of all, you know, in watching your Netflix specials, like, what I what I love about watching that is you can say anything. Right? Like, the shit you talk about is so is so unhinged. Like, literally, there's, no I maybe you felt material where you're like, probably shouldn't include that one, but, like, I couldn't detect it.
Oh, yeah. I like just saying shit. And so because that's what you're supposed to be able to do.
Exactly. So, like, what I love about that is the elbow room you have. Right? There's like, when you look at existence, you say like, my my goal is to entertain you, and I have all this open space. But then when people don't have that when you when you don't have comedy as the outlet, and you're playing in society, people sit in a very narrow box.
They feel like they can only say certain things. If they step outside that, they get punished by the tribe. Right? Like, for whatever reason. And so what I love about social media is it just has enabled me to create elbow room.
Like, I posted nudes of myself. You know? Like, we did the blood tran the the plasma transfers. Like, we we basically have done enough things. I did I did magic mushrooms on a livestream.
Yep. That's what really made me think, oh, I really wanna talk to this guy now because he's going into other realms. Yeah. And before we get into some of that, what were some of the findings from the social media fast, or do you think it was long enough to to notice anything?
It was. Honestly, it was kind of life changing. It was I did one fast that was 40 long, and then I did a second fast that was seventy hours long. And, the science behind this is when you're engaged in social media, you basically have dopamine dysregulation. Right?
Like, you're in this addiction state, and you don't realize it, but it's actually creating all kinds of harm, and then you engage with social media to feel normal again. And then once you pull out of it and you have that break, you kind of get you're out of the spell. You're not hypnotized anymore, and then you get to feel it for what it is. So now that I pull up the feed, it feels toxic. Like, it feels like I've had a fast food meal or like I've had I'm in a secondhand room of secondhand smoke or like it just feels so bad.
And I guess that I I, pay attention to these feelings because over the past five years, I've been doing like hundreds of experiments to my body. Like, what things make my body rejuvenate and what things make my body die. So I have this intuition I've built. And now when I go into social media, it, like, literally feels like death. And so it's complicated, though, because I love social media.
I love to post. I love to play. I love to interact. But also, when I get on, it's like I'm like, nah. This is not good.
So honestly, it's complicated. I don't know what to do.
Yeah. There's a thing I noticed if I've taken mushrooms before and you'll look at your phone, it's like, oh, get that away from me.
Yeah. You feel it. Right?
Yes. It's like, oh, that's not real. That's not that's the most unnatural thing. Like, what is that? It all yeah.
It's it feels like a kryptonite. Or if I've done Ayahuasca or been on Ayahuasca and you're coming in and I see my phone or I'll get home and turn on the TV, I'm like, oh, get that thing away from me. That is something that's just resonating, like something dark.
Yeah. Isn't that interesting? Like, in those moments when you feel sober, it's like you do you can viscerally feel it. Yeah. But then once you get in there and you kind of play around for a while, you don't you lose that sensitivity Mhmm.
And you feel normal again. But, yeah, it's I think and so what's been resonating is I've I've been so I posted this on social. I said because a lot of people think that social media is like a vice or like a, you know, a bad habit, but I reframed it and said, actually, I think it's pollution. It's like microplastics or lead in the pipes or, asbestos in the wall or, like, you know, lead in the gasoline. I think it really is like a societal pollution.
It accumulates in the body. It creates low grade low grade inflammation. And I've been sharing this, so many people are like, I feel this. But they the problem is you can't like, telling someone to turn it off is like telling someone to not breathe coal smoke in London in the nineteenth century. Yeah.
Like, you you can't do it. Or, you know, the if there's if there's if there's water pollution, like, the solution for water pollution in London in the nineteenth century was not to say don't drink water. It was, to filter the water. Right. So I think the solution here is, like, I propose this, that if if people could build AI to basically create a layer of protection between me and the Internet, like me and the and the social feed Mhmm.
Extract out all the performative metrics, extract out all the the garbage, all the slop, and then give me the goodness. But I want someone to like, it'd be cool if someone could build, social media into a longevity therapy versus, like, hey. Actually, a cigarette.
Oh, I see what you're saying. Like, make it a long slow fire that has, like, all a mix of things.
Like, help me when I engage with it, I wanna feel good. I wanna feel like I've drank, like, you know, lemon water and ginger.
Right. As opposed to, like, having a couple of Cokes.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. You can slam a bunch of energy drinks and
Oh, yeah. Dude, my friend keeps a five hour energy drink in his sock. Yeah.
I know. Like, this is the thing, but this is like right? People pound, like, two to three to four a day, like, between, you know, four hundred and eight hundred milligrams of caffeine, and they like on top of modafinil or something. You know? So it's like
And kids are doing it. Kids will get an energy drink before school. I'm like, what are you? Yeah. Dude, your grades are bad.
Yeah. You know It's not even performing. Yeah. What are you doing?
Even doing over there, dude? You think yeah. You just because you're reading the fucking crucible or whatever, I gotta get you another Celsius or something. Oh, it says, hey. Hey.
Social media users visibly decline one or two points in attractiveness. I seven. Oh, yeah. I saw you said something that social media even can make us uglier.
Yeah. It
does. This is the post, really?
Yeah. Yeah, this is good science. Because like, when you engage heavily in social media, you're basically, you have higher depression, higher anxiety, you've got more inflammation, you sleep more poorly. So, these are all things that when the body is in that condition, you just look worse. So, yeah.
So heavy social media users lose, at least a point or two on the attractiveness scale. Like, you may go from a seven to a five. Mhmm. So, yeah, it does legitimately affect, appearance.
Yeah. And I think everybody kinda starts at an eight. That's what I think. If you brush your teeth, you're
an eight. Yeah. You're right. Right. And you're nice, you're like 8.5.
Yeah. And you give a good hug, you're like nine.
Oh, you're already halfway there. Yeah. And then the rest is just the Lord and if your parents if they were tens. Wow. That's kind of yeah.
Because I, this is interesting because I do notice like, first of all, I'll say to people, I noticed this now. I'll say to people, hey, I'm going go into my phone for a second. Right? So it's almost like I'm telling you, I'm letting you, almost it's like, yeah, I'm gonna have a cigarette. It's like the same sort of thing.
Yeah. Then now it's gotten to me. Sometimes I'm just so sick of of watching socials. It's just like, I'll look at a few things and it's just like, oh, this isn't how this isn't doing anything anymore. That started the the thing too, is I don't even this doesn't feel like it's doing anything anymore.
Yeah. And then that the algorithm that you know somebody's behind it kinda queuing up what is next, it doesn't leave that, as much of a whimsicalness about it. You know? That's right. Somewhere over the rainbow, there's a moon.
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You own important disclosure at acorns.com/theo. Oh, yeah. I saw this this one tweet that's just getting a lot of attention that I saw. Mobile phone short video uses negatively impacts attention functions. Yeah.
An EEG study says, one thing I do feel like is that there should be accountability for whoever's making the algorithms. Like, cause there's been kids who get affected and then they watch stuff, and then they might consider self harm. Right? Yeah. Or people who you're curious about one video, but then it serves you seven others.
Yeah. And now you have a strong take about a group or about a person or anything.
Yeah.
So it's like, shouldn't the creator of the algorithm like if I make something and I give it to you Yeah. And I know it's bad and poisonous Yeah. Know, there should be you should be somewhat accountable, it feels like. I know there's just now a court case or wasn't Zuckerberg just in court?
Yeah. Yeah. In LA.
Here we go. Mark Zuckerberg grilled about underage Instagram users' social media addiction during landmark trial. In his first time testifying about child safety in front of a jury, Zuckerberg said the company does not seek to make Instagram addictive to younger users, pushing back against claims that the social media app is designed to be harmful to children. I'm focused on building a community that is sustainable. If you do something that's not good for people, maybe they'll spend more time short term, but if they're not happy with it, they're not going to use it over time.
I'm not trying to maximize the amount of time people spend every month.
This is why I was saying that I I wanted to reframe because when people talk about social media Mhmm. Typically, the blame is on the person. The person spends too much time on social media. Right? They need to be more disciplined.
They need to set limits. And when you reframe this and you say, actually, social media is a pollutant. It's like comp some company manufacturing cigarettes or asbestos or lead or, like, when you reframe it that way, it's what you said is this is a pollutant driving society that it is making society depressed, anxious, lose focus. Right? Having all sorts of negative psychological and and physiological implications.
When you reframe it that way, it changes the blame from the individual to, like, you can't reasonably expect people to want to be part of the tribe, to want to be part of a friend group, and then put them in a system like the it's like lead in pipes. Water is in the pipes, but also lead is too. So it's like you you can't the solution is not so people can get off the phone. You have to do some kind of filtering or something because it's it's poisonous right now.
Yeah. I think it's a great way to say it. Yeah. That it's a pollutant. Right?
And people say, well, just get off your phone, but our society has gotten to the place where it is on our phone. We live in an electronica society in a digital age. So it's, yeah, if you have a neighbor next door who is a company that's just, like, blowing, like, you know, those smokestacks that they never did that they never had any, governors on, and they were just pouring horrible smoke into the air. Yeah. Those were held liable.
So it makes sense that these would be too. The case filed in Los Angeles Superior Court, involves over 1,600 plaintiffs, including families and school districts suing Meta, YouTube, which is TikTok and Snap. KGM claims features like infinite scrolling, notifications, and beauty filters create addiction, exacerbating body image, depression, and suicidal thoughts. Yeah. Some of the key moments, Zuckerberg denied meta aims to addict youth, stating his focus is on a sustainable community where unhappy users won't stay long term.
Grilled on underage users and AR beauty filters despite internal concerns, he emphasized balancing free expression and well-being, saying you don't really build social media apps unless you care about people being able to express themselves. I don't know if that's true anymore. You know?
You know what it feels like is, in physics, there's this idea, like a a phase transition. So So when water is at 99 degrees Celsius, it's a solid. When it's a 101, it's a a vapor. Mhmm. So just a very small change.
It's not gradual. It just snaps. That's a phase transition. It feels to me like social media is heading towards a phase transition where there's, like, all this built up all these built up problems that are over like, about to go from 99 c to a 101 c, and it just snaps. And and society is like, we can't.
Right. We can't do it anymore. Like, it's too much. Like, we're all fucking broken from this thing. Right.
It's gotta stop. And, like and I don't think these things are cool because they don't happen gradually. Like, it's just suddenly overnight. Yeah. So I I would love that if, somehow there was a snap and we could all get back our sanity.
Right. Like, with UGG boots. Like, when people were like, oh, these are great and Tom Brady was wearing them, then one day people were like Done. Yeah. Yeah.
The shits we hear. Yeah.
People will be so relieved to not feel like because right now, when
Oh, dude. They came out with a rule right now and said on your phones won't even work on Saturday and Sunday, I think the entire world would exhale. A 100%.
That it's also true, like, on, like, grind culture where the expectation is you have to work twenty hours a day.
Get up and fucking grind, mom.
It's like in this expectation
Keep your eyes open. Yeah. I know. Keep looking at invoices.
It's like we're, like, driving ourselves insane as a species. It's like we're losing our shit, and, like, it's it's right there in front of us. Yeah. It's all these expectations. And if it would be it would be amazing.
I love that. Like, the phones don't work. It's like, goddamn. Let's let's celebrate.
I yeah. I think and I think people would. Yeah. They don't even work. Good.
Fuck them. I think one day if people take over a business or, like, people, like, storm the capital. Dude, storm T Mobile. Storm these towers and just bring them down. Free us from what this these it's digital chains Yeah.
Yeah. Where we're locked, you know?
And you know, when it's people when people, are not with the tribe, they experience it as physical death. Because we're we are evolved to live in a group of a 150 people or less Mhmm. To be seen by the tribe. And when you're on social media, if you're not posting on social media, you're not seen by the tribe. Mhmm.
So it feels literally like death. That's why you can't just say like, don't be on your phone. Because you're like you your body's like, am I dead to the tribe?
Right. Do I even exist? Yeah. You feel like that. Yeah.
If I take a couple months off, will people know, do I exist? What's even going on?
So therefore, you're forced into this performative existence of like, hey, guys. I exist. Remember me? Like, put me over here. Like, remember?
I'm part of the tribe. So it's just it's such a a a violent and abusive relationship of this game that no one wants to play. I mean, like, it is fun. Like, there's value to it. There's good information.
Like, there's I don't wanna say there's not virtues to it. But the way it's structured now, it's just like a, a loss for society overall.
Yeah, dude. Well, there's just things that I you would miss, bro. Sitting there at home wondering if a chick thought about you or not.
Yeah.
Bro. Yeah. And here's the thing. Now you can just find out immediately she's liking some other dude. You see that she's already married or whatever.
But back in the day, you couldn't do that. So you just had to and you thought that she did. So you were, like, hopeful and excited. You would just you would take care of yourself till the next time you saw her. But now you'll just go see something like, oh, she's out with Rick or whatever.
So I'm now I'm depressed. Now I'm at home. Now I'm not even gonna get out of bed. Yeah. You know, I think just those things.
And then the the also, like, the negative effects of just, like, if you communicate with all types of people all day, then when you finally see, like, your spouse or your partner at the end of the day, you're kind of burnt out sometimes. You know? You're burnt out because you've had all this odd connection that's not real connection. Yeah. But it's it's a some artificial connection.
It's like if you've been eating Fritos all
day That's right.
And then you get to dinner, you're like, oh.
Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. This looks so good, but Yeah.
I'll I'll I'll I'm just I I can't even have any right
now.
I'm already full of shit.
So we with this project, we have been so basically What project? My project don't die.
Oh, your project don't die.
Yeah. So, like, basically, like, the idea is if if we are the first generation who won't die Mhmm. Then the goal is, like, identify things that make you die, and then don't do those things. Right? Try to eliminate them.
So what you're talking about, at the end of the day, when you're like, I don't know what it is, but I just feel like shit. Right. Then it's so it's basically, it's the stacking of all these things that make you die. For example, did you know this that when you walk into a fast food place like McDonald's, you have the smell that that you you right? When you walk in?
Mhmm. That is like secondhand smoke. It's the aerosol aerosolized oils.
Yeah. So like That's Ronald McDonald's cologne, man.
It is. It's cologne.
That shit is Wow.
Creepy. You know what? That's creepy as fuck.
Wow. Creepy. Because you got that play place in
the back. Oh my god. That is that is dystopian. Holy shit. I didn't think about that.
It is.
So, like, that is one example. So we track 250 things in our society that make me die. And so and and and when you go about your day
With this project.
Go with it. Exactly.
So you guys track 250 things that make you die.
Yeah. So, basically, when I started doing this, we said, okay. Like, I'll be the first generation who won't die. Okay. Let's take that as a premise.
Okay. So then I hired a team of doctors, and we got to work. And so we we went through all the scientific evidence. We said, like, what does the scientific evidence say about, longevity and things that make you die? And then I measured every organ in my body that I could.
Like, we would go through and say, what is the age? So I I was 42 years old when we started. Mhmm. So I said, what is the biological age of my heart? Because your biological age can be different than your chronological age.
Okay.
So for example, like my ear, my left ear is age 64 because I shot a lot of guns as a kid, listened to loud music. Okay. So it's impaired. So we measured all of my organs and said, like, here's my baseline. And then we got to work, like doing therapies and measurement.
And so I became those measured person in human history. There's more data on my body than any human's ever lived. Wow. And so in doing that, we just found out, like, what kills the body? You know, like, do microplastics harm the body?
If so, how? You know? Like, do does going into fast food, like aerosolized? Does that, like social media. And so when you it really resonates when you say you go home, like, you don't know why you feel like shit.
But after doing this for years, I know why. It's like the stacking of all these things Mhmm. That society has done to make a profit, and then it's just like you're the collateral damage. But, like, we've built a society of die. Mhmm.
And that's what sucks about it. So I'm I never wanna approach it to say, hey, you individual. Like, you get off your phone or you stop doing these things. It's like the system's broken.
Right.
And that's what's cool about this moment is if we do see this moment is like this is like 1870, bacteria is present. Do we believe this crazy idea or not? Like, this could be like it would change everything. So so, like, we transform ourselves as a society.
I love that idea because, yeah, when you put it like that, it gives you more of a hope. It gives it more of like a this universal type of thing that's going on. And I feel that. I feel like there's a lot of people questioning everything right now. Like, is this good for me?
Why did I believe all these companies? Why did I believe that the government and the FDA and the EPA that they were looking out for me? They it's obvious now from Yeah. So many trials and, and corporate, interests that they weren't. You know?
There's all these there's there's all these things that that that none of that was happening. And so now it's back on us. And what do we really want? Right? Yeah.
Because we put the faith. I think a lot of people have put the faith in the hands of their government and, not entirely, but you would just assume that, oh, yeah, the food they're letting come into us into our lives Yeah. Where we pay taxes to make sure there's an agency that overlooks this, that it's gonna be okay for us. Yeah. And then I think it's at the point now where people that that idea is totally spoiled.
So where do we go from here? Are those powers going to try to, like, imprison us into this space, which also feels like it's gonna Yeah. They're trying to. Because you have, like, companies like Bayer and Monsanto that are lobbying, you know, like, to keep all these things in our food and and make sure that people can't sue if they do get sick? Or is it gonna be that there's some sort of a of a revolution?
Yes.
So I saw you just you just asked Trevor to pour your coffee into, and that was out of
a paper cup into A yeah. It's a stainless steel.
Yeah. Okay. What is the cause of that? Because that's one thing a lot of people were thinking of. What's So
there's a lot of there's been a lot of discussion around microplastics. Yeah. You know, like, they're everywhere. They're our clothes. They're in our food.
Like so, we did this, project where we said, okay. Can we measure microplastics in my body? And so we did a few things. One is we measured microplastics in my blood, and we measured microplastics in my semen. Okay.
And so two distinct, biological systems. And we wanted to look at semen because fertility is really important. We want to psych because there was a few studies that showed that one hundred percent of tested males
Of tested men? Men Okay.
Have microplastics in their balls
Oh.
And their semen. And so we wanted to basically pose this question, could we do anything in life that would lower my microplastic burden in my body, in my blood, and on my semen? And so we did a few things. Like, one is, cups they use for, you know, hot coffee, they leach microplastics. The heat causes the leaching of microplastics.
So when you're drinking that coffee, you're you're consuming microplastics. And so we did that plus a whole bunch of other things to reduce it, and we dropped my microplastic burden by 87% Wow. In both blood and semen. And so that was a big win for us because no one in the world had ever demonstrated that, that you could look at both those things and look at the remediations. And the second thing we saw is we think that part of the reduction was from the things we did like removing plastic cups, you know, plastic cutting boards, like trying to remove plastic from the house Mhmm.
Then also dry sauna. We think dry sauna was potentially we're not sure. Potentially the cause of reducing microplastics in the body overall. So it's kind of if this the example of where if you hear a headline of, like, toxin, like microplastic is scary, we try to lay out a clear path of, like, you can do these things to reduce your exposure and to bring your levels down. So we do that systematically over, like, a whole bunch of things.
But, yeah, that's why I basically try to avoid any material that would be warmed and leach microplastics, whereas stainless steel, you don't have that leaching problem.
Got it. And what about using just our microwaves and stuff like that? Are there microplastics in there? I hear recently that there's microplastics in our air fryers and stuff like that. Is that stuff true, or is that just a a sales pitch for them to get you to get a new air fryer?
Yeah. I mean, if your air fryer I was looking at your air fryer recently. I think a lot of them are made with plastic. And so you're you're heating these materials to to certain degrees where you're inevitably going to have off gassing of microplastics. So and I know this is the thing.
It's like, once you start once you realize that plastic is a target, you realize you come to learn it's in everything. No. Like, everywhere you look. So even now, like, after I've tried to purge my life from plastic, I will still like, for example, here's an example. I was doing sauna to try to rid my body of toxins, including microplastics.
Mhmm. I mistakenly used a towel that was 10% polyester and 90% cotton. So there I am trying to rid myself of toxins, and I'm using it on my body. Alright? Oh, why the polyester.
Right? I'm, wiping my body with toxins. So, like, you know, like, that was an idiotic, mistake. But, like, an example, like, we're always we're just finding this forever. So I got rid of all the I thought that was a cotton towel.
It wasn't, but we got rid of that, but it's just forever. It's it's amazing how omnipresent they are.
Yeah. I've actually been working with, this company, American Giant, that they make, they've tried to use just American cotton and make their products just in America. Like, that's I mean, just top to bottom America only company Yeah. That makes, textiles or clothing because they don't really even have those anymore.
Yeah.
I remember their journey was how how do we even get a shirt made here? And it was seemingly impossible. Because we don't have the looms or so many things we don't have. But we've been working on a cotton, like a cotton only underwear that would be, just so it's only cotton. Right?
So you're not dealing with anything else.
That's awesome.
What fabrics have you found that are okay to kinda keep on your body that do not have microplastics in them, and which ones are the ones that people need to be wary of?
Yeah. There's a list. So, I mean, one is on the cotton stuff is we were we've everything I put into my body, we test. Like, all the food I eat. So we were testing clothing, and actually, we tested a diaper, a diaper where the portion of the diaper that absorbs the urine for the baby.
We tested that, and it was, like, eight times as high in glyphosate. So so so cotton unexpectedly
That's what's in the pesticides. Exactly.
So so cotton is is better than, like, a polyester, but cotton is also not like, it's not just pure. Right? So there could be residual, pesticides in your cotton. Like, how fast they come out, we don't know. But this is like I this is, dangerous because I think a lot of people listening are kinda like, oh my god.
I give up. But, like, what do I do? Right. But, like, I I wanna give you hope. Like, you you just slowly peel back one layer after another after another, like, chip away.
It's okay. Like, we'll get off we'll get on top of this. But just like just know that there's always these layers. So yeah. So we tested that, and so that's in the diaper.
Now there's no evidence that glyphosate can go from a diaper into the skin. No one's tested it, so maybe it is. But if it is, that's terrible. We're bathing our children. You know, we're bathing their private parts in pesticides in these diapers.
And so, like, this is the kind of thing where I'm saying, like, once you start chasing these these paths, you just find out society has built itself for profit. They've not built itself for life. And that's what you see everywhere. And so back to this conversation you you the point you made before of, like, this idea of care. Like, think of okay.
Here's a question for you. Who in your life unquestionably acts in your best interest? Like, without doubt without a doubt, they act in your best interest.
Probably my brother.
Like, you could probably count on one hand. Right? Yeah. Everyone else, like, whether it's, a social group or whether it's companies or the government or whatever, everybody else shows up with a complicated set of objectives. Part of it may be, like, it's not good, but the whole bunch of other the wrapper behind it may be, they want something from you.
And so there's this idea of care that I'm trying to pioneer with the company I'm building around this is, can we legitimately, unquestionably, always act in our customers' best interest? Even if it means we lose money, we always show up for you. Because that's really, like, what what I've been trying to do in this whole process, but it just shows that as a society, we don't have care as a principle as our society. Like, you're not expected to actually act in someone's best interest. You're expected to have a better exchange to make profit.
Well, sometimes I'll romanticize. Well, it probably used to be that way. Mhmm. And I don't know if that's true or not. But the fact that we're at that place now, I think, is important.
We did this thing this this year around the holidays where we've tried to find 10 American companies that were, like, American made products and and then show those off, like, highlight those. It was me and Mike Rowe. And it was just so you if you wanna buy something that's America, you can get it. He you know, this is something that you when you buy it, you're supporting a fellow American. So it's like, screw these big company.
Like, if if I buy from you and you buy from me Yeah. Then we keep each other alive. We we're it only, you know, so we're trying to start to create this, this space where you can do that, where it's like, if I wanna buy something, I'd rather instead of going to look at like these things that are the the same shelves in every single place, why don't I go find this unique thing that's only made by one of my fellow human beings? You know?
That's a cool idea.
It's one of the things that's kind of made me most excited recently, like in the world. And we're trying to work with like Shopify or something. You know, some company to come along and be like, well, these are the sites, you know, people are gonna need these sites to build their products. Yeah. Because then it's like if like, we even had, a woman who sells like these really, like, great little characters and and and kind of ornaments and stuff.
So we had some artists and creatives in there, but it was great. And, and a lot of them had great profits. It was like, oh, people want this. Right? People want to go down the road where there is like some accountability for themselves and they want to be in a way where they can, where they the purchase that where they're putting their money, it feels like I'm giving this to someone else who I know needs it just as much as I do.
You know? They're just a regular person. They're not a big entity. You know? Yeah.
So I think anyway, I'm saying I think there's somewhat of a people do care. Are we to get people to care where they're spending. Yeah. You know? That's kind of stuff is very important.
What what are your thoughts on RFK Junior's his eat real food initiative? Have you seen that?
Yeah. Have. Yeah. Tyson being the spokesperson. What's that?
Yeah. Mike Tyson was the was the spokesperson. He was he was in the Super Bowl ad.
Oh, I didn't even see that. Yeah. Yeah. Because he came one year and he talked about it. He just said eat real food, you know?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's great. Mean, I think, so RFK is a friend.
Yeah. Same. Yeah. He, like,
he's getting after it. You know? Like, peep like, in any situation, people are gonna have various opinions. Fine. But, like, he's really trying his best.
And so I I respect that he's pulling up, and, you know, he's made some great he has some great wins getting rid of, food dyes. And so yeah. I mean, I I'm I'm grateful for him doing it. It was cool. You know, like, Mike Tyson is probably the person that has been in my consciousness more than any public figure.
When I was when I was seven years old, he had peaked. I think he was 21. He just won the belt, and he was on the cover of Sports Illustrated, like, every week. Again, that's right. I would cut those out, and I had it on my wall, but my Tyson was my idol.
Like and the I actually, this is like a terrible story. I loved him so much, and I saved up all I worked all summer long mowing lawns and, like, doing all this whole bunch of shit. I saved up money, and I bought the pay per view. It was like $44.95. I called my friends over.
I'm gonna treat them to this amazing experience, and he was fighting Buster Douglas, his first big loss. And oh my god. That was that was like soul wrenching because I wanted to see Tyson, like, know, knock out of the park. I'd never seen him fight live, and you couldn't just, like, pull him up on clips on YouTube or YouTube. Like, it's, you know, harder to see.
But, anyway, somebody like, tangent there, but, it's cool to see Tyson go from that to now he's, like, in my world talking about real food and how it's important. So I think he's got a he's had a cool life arc.
He has had a great life arc. I mean, he's pretty fascinating. We're supposed to do a podcast with him coming up soon, actually, In LA, actually. So if I do do that, man, I'll have to make sure that you get to come over there.
Would love to. I would love to meet him.
That'd be super, dude. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He was like you know, boxers were such like, I don't know if like, they were such gods. They they held that status.
Right?
They did. In the eighties, they were it. Like, you have, like, basketball, you have the bulls, you've got the bears, you know, Bo Jackson, like, they were it.
Yeah. A 100%. What do you think the government's role should be in our, health and diet?
So I guess, like, two things. One is there there are a lot of things I want to do that I can't do because the government prevents me from doing it. So I can go out and smoke. I can eat fast food. I can eat all the junk food out there, but I can't try a new longevity drug.
The companies are forbidden from allowing me to do that. So, like, in many ways, I I dislike, they give me the freedom to kill myself, but I can't have the I don't have the right to experiment on myself. And I wish I had more experiment experiment experimental power that I could do that.
Have there been, certain drugs and stuff that you wanted to go try or
A lot of them. Really? Yeah.
Yeah. What's one that really kinda, you know, tickles your Benjamin butt?
You know? Yeah. That's a good that's good. I mean, there's a whole bunch of there's like probably a dozen. And like, the the thing I'd I want to do is I want to accept the responsibility of determining if it's safe or not.
Now if I mess up, it's on me. Yeah. Like, I'll take that responsibility, but I do I don't want them to say, like, only after because then it it creates this gigantic no. It makes sense. Companies go through, like, a a structured process, and they say, it's gone through this process.
We give it a stamp of approval. It's like, it's a good idea, like, on large scale vaccines. Like, you don't wanna ship a shitty vaccine to society. Mhmm. Totally get it.
Also, right, on, like, a n equals one, like me scale, I want to do things without their limiting my ability to do it. So it's a really tricky balance because there there needs to be some structure in place where as a member of the society, I can say, trust some entity to ensure what I'm doing is safe because we're saying the company itself can't be trusted. Right? Like, there needs to be, like, some
Right. Some middleman.
Yeah. Like, that's the idea.
But now the middleman, it feels like it can't be trusted.
So, like, what if we just, like, take this little wholesale, what we're going back to is care. Right? Like, do I trust that whoever is doing something is legitimately looking after my best interest or not? This is why I'm saying when you go back to, like, who legitimately is is looking after your best interest, it's not like one hand. It's your brother.
Yeah. And so what if we established as a society the principle of care? And now that's hard because you have to do things that are not in your best financial interest. You've gotta do things, like, don't look good. So, like, it really puts a it's a different mentality, but also, man, would it be kick ass to live in that society.
Yeah. Where, like,
I you know, if you're gonna tell me to take a drug, like, you're not hiding shit. Like, you're not, like you know? So that'd be cool.
So Oh, yeah. It'd be so nice. Because imagine also the stress that it adds to all of us. Yeah. You know, it's so stressful now.
It's like you go eat a hotcake or whatever, and you're like, is this thing gonna kill me? Not today. Yeah. But is there something in here that they're strategizing to kill me thirty years from now? Yeah.
You know, to create some new disease in me that then I'll need some new type of medicine, you know, it just kind of yeah, it's a lot of turmoil. What is your, kind of daily dietary strategy? Where do you stand with your diet? Yeah. And then we'll talk about like supplements that you like.
Cool. Yeah. The principle here
is that I am a collection of around 70,000,000,000,000 cells. Like Brian Johnson is 70,000,000,000,000 cells. Half, like over half of those cells are alien cells. They're not even me. They're just bacteria.
So I'm like around thirty, thirty five trillion cells.
Is that true?
Yeah. Yeah. You you are a collection of, like, 70,000,000,000,000 cells. That makes theo Von.
Okay. And half of those cells are not They're not you. They're not natural born citizens?
Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. They're immigrants.
Yeah. So, like, they're bacteria and others that are hanging out in your ecosystem. And so the question is, like, you know, when it comes to food, food is just a collection of molecules. So you're taking one set of molecules, and you put them in your molecules, and you say, like, what happens? And so we know, for example, when you take fast food, those molecules are put in your body, it does bad stuff.
And so with diet, we basically just say, if you have to create a list of the very best molecules in existence that help the body thrive, what are those molecules? So every calorie has a fiber's life. And so that's the first principle. And then two is I don't subscribe to any, camp. Like I'm not carnivore, I'm not vegan, I'm not vegetarian, I'm not paleo, I'm not keto, I don't care.
I just wanna look at the evidence and say, you take a given thing, put it in the body, what happens? And so I my diet primarily consists of a whole bunch of vegetables. I do berries, nuts, seeds, extra virgin olive oil. That's primarily what I eat. And so I'm just I'm extremely meticulous because I'm trying to become the most don't die person in the world.
So but, know, if people enjoy eating meat, eat meat. You know, like, do your thing. If you enjoy eggs, do eggs. Just measure your body. Like, measure your body and see if you're happy or not.
If the body is so there's what your mind can say, oh, I love blank, but measuring your body is a different thing. Your body is gonna tell is gonna speak the truth, not your mind. So basically, like, wanna measure out, let your body report out how's inflammation, how's cholesterol, like, how's all the different markers. So
And when it comes to meat and things like that, are there just you don't like them or you feel like they don't work for your body? Was there something that you found that you're like, this isn't the best for me?
So it's actually I mean, one is I think that there's two points. One is I think you can make an evidence based argument that a diet that primarily consists of vegetables, berries, nuts, seeds, extra virgin olive oil, legumes, is one of the best paths to longevity. Not the only, but like a good one. And then, on the, like, red meat, there's not a ton of evidence that a lot of ton of longevity evidence that says this thing is a longevity, producer. No.
But I I pull myself out of the argument because I don't care about red meat. I don't care about the argument. I don't care about the disagreement. If somebody wants to eat red meat, I support you in eating red meat. Yeah.
Like, I'm not gonna go after red meat. Like, I'm not that person. So just like
do Y'all pat you on the back while you have a little, you know
Yeah.
Yeah. Do you have some burn
ins or whatever. Man, do it. Like, do your thing and just measure your body. So I try to do that, and I try to then share my body biomarkers and say, here's what my body looks like. Here's the evidence.
If you wanna try it out, here you go. But, like, a lot of so, like, a couple things. One is, I love extra virgin olive oil. I think it's one of the best foods you can put into your body.
Is that a seed oil or not? No. Okay.
Yeah. There's like this whole, seed oils are bad for you. I don't I don't buy it.
You
don't? No. I think it's fried. It's it's high temp seed oils. But, you know, like cold pressed seed oils, you know, like they're fine.
So, like that whole thing, I think, got away. Oh, so you
think the seed oil thing is kind of out there?
Yeah. Yeah. It's it's you don't want to heat them. That's when they become dangerous. But cold pressed seed oils, the evidence says they're fine.
But again, like, if somebody wants to do it, great. Like, you know, stain or take it.
Just measure yourself to try to find the markers. Right. Check-in with yourself. Have some sort of like, okay. How do I really feel after having this?
Yeah. And how does your body report out? Not your mind, not your opinion, not what social media says. Ask your body to report out with biomarkers. Get a blood draw, look at your markers, and say, is the body happy or sad?
Right. Not each time you eat, but you're saying over time. Over time.
Because, yeah, because those like, your body reflects your diets over, you know, a period of time.
Yeah.
Yeah. But like the easy ones, like just avoid there we go.
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But you don't buy into this? I mean, this
so this is cooking. This is act what does
Oh, this is actually using it for cooking.
Yeah. What does well at higher heats?
This is kinda what you're saying actually, that some of these may provide less health benefit for you.
But on this, though, like this graph, I want to see the toxic compounds that are formed. Otherwise, like, don't know how to read this graph.
Right. Right. And they'll show stuff like this. I mean, even entrap me. It just you know, they use the red, yellow, green.
Yeah. Exactly. There's a
lot of small strategies that can kinda like Yeah.
I wanna see. I wanna see what temperature, what are the toxic compounds I'm evaluating, when do they form, Like, you know, etcetera. So that that is like a that'd be a much more quantified approach where I'd say, alright. Now I I feel like I have a good basis for decision making Mhmm. Versus like, this is easy to read online.
You see red, green, yellow. It's like, okay. Good, bad. Because anything more than good, bad, it kind of it gets overwhelming for people.
Yeah. For sure. Yeah. You say extra virgin olive oil. That's sort of your go to.
Yeah. Based upon the evidence I my team and I have reviewed, this is what I would suggest if people want quick takeaways. One is I consume more extra virgin olive oil than any food in my diet. It's 15% of my daily caloric intake, but it's we source it ourselves. We test it in the lab ourselves.
It's high polyphenol. It has the right acids. Right? Right constitution. So it's it's a specific kind of olive oil.
It's not because most olive oil is bullshit. Like, most of it does nothing, and most of it yeah. Is a lot of So you need a very so whatever you buy, make sure it has a third party lab test result. Now that's that's a lot. But is there a brand
that you tell us? I mean, know or or do you have this yourself that we could buy? Do you have your own?
I do it myself. Because, like, going back to that discussion of care and trust, after playing this game for five years, I don't trust anybody. Yeah. No one. Like, I don't care what they say in marketing.
I don't care. I just don't trust anyone. That's how I am. So, yeah, I I wanna source it from the farm myself. I wanna test it in the third party lab.
So I just basically, I did this my whole self, and then my friends were like, I want this too. And I'm like, sure.
Yeah. I was about to ask you for something. And this is but this is one you guys have. It's called snake oil?
Yeah. We like, it's kind of a troll. Yeah. But, yeah, it's basically we source from both hemispheres, Southern Hemisphere, Northern hemisphere. We always have a fresh batch.
We do third party testing. It's high polyphenols. So, all of it and also, like, I do a tablespoon with every meal because when you eat food, it causes damage to your body. Like, lot of people don't know that. They think like food is like a good thing, which it is, but also there's a there's damage associated.
So olive oil lessens that damage, like lessens some the oxidative damage. So that's olive oil is one. Two is I eat a lot of legumes like lentils, edamames, beans, a lot of vegetables, but I steam them. So when you when you char something, whether it be charring vegetables or meat or something, it builds something called AGEs. AGEs?
Yeah. Advanced glycogenin products, which is basically just thinking about like junk that builds up in your in your in your body. You don't want it. So I steam vegetables to lower the AGEs, and then I eat a lot of nuts, macadamia nuts, almonds, walnuts.
I like walnuts. Yeah. Right. Those are like
the those are good ones. Like, I don't eat cashews or peanuts. Those are like the less valuable ones. Drunkards nuts.
Like Like, oh, you're drunk Yeah.
Then I do a lot of
And cashew just looks like it's fucking Yeah. Looks like it doesn't even know what it's doing. You look at a cashew, bring up a cashew. Yeah. Yeah.
It looks kinda bisexual a little. Yeah. Which is fine. Yeah. But I'm just saying it looks like it'll sleep over at anybody's house, to me.
Yeah. I think it's a good interpretation. I've never heard someone riff on a cashew's appearance, but you know what? I think you're right.
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Yeah. I had I had a couple thoughts. You know, like, know, Theo, I wish I could say I wish I could talk about shit like you do. Like, I have several thoughts I just had. I'd like to express them, but I don't.
You know? Like, I still play within a certain box of, like, what I can and cannot say.
But And is it do you think it's some of that's for, like, business purposes, or you just think it's just like a social way that you learned?
I mean, it's like there as as weird as I am and as much elbow room as I've created in doing crazy shit, there's still some things that I would say that would alienate certain people. And so I do have some some parameters. And so but I you know, if if I wasn't doing this, honestly, I'd do stand up comedy. Really? Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. It'd be like bro, that's cool. Oh, man. It would it would be it would be so much fun because you basically you're trying to put your finger on the thing. Yeah.
And that's what I try to do in my life. But you're like and so and when people the response, of course, is like how good you are at putting your finger on the thing that they already know. Right. But you're willing to say it, and you can string it together. So
But you're kinda doing that. You're kind of like a, I mean, it's just not stand up comedy, but you're just doing it for our health. You
know? Yeah.
And I'm I would way rather you're this guy out there who's like just who's basically riding around being his own voodoo doll and shit than have you out there, like, trying jokes, which you may have have been very successful at as well. But I'm glad you're doing what you are. Maybe, you know, maybe it'll be a side thing or next life. But also some people might not even take you as seriously. You know, one night I watched John Mayer.
He got up into stand up comedy. Yeah. And he's like, man, I love stand up comedy. I have loved to have been a stand up comedian. He goes, but now I'm so known for being what I am that I can't even be this.
Yeah. Because, it just people wouldn't accept it or wouldn't give you the same walkway into their lives as as they would knowing I'm already John May. Yeah. You
know? Yeah. You know, like, I would love to take down that challenge, and man, I would love
You could have so many great jokes.
I wanna make fun of myself. I I like, I'm so weird. Right? I could Dude, of course
you are, dude. You probably you probably might not even have any blood in your body, dude. You could go to a blood draw and they just keep drawing and drawing the descending there. Like, nurses are coming out like, we don't know,
you know?
I mean, oh, dude, I bet if you have you ever been on Kill Tony? Have you been on that show? No. Oh, bro. If you I wonder if we maybe next time I go in there, you and me could go.
He's this have you ever seen it? No. It's this it's like the tonight show now, but they do it at that in Austin and it's a and dude, I bet people would write some jokes for you, bro. It'd be so great.
That'd be so much fun. Love I to. This is it.
It's so much fun, bro. Every week they have it. You would be the best on there, dude.
I went to a couple roast me shows, and it was it was pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I I really enjoy people making fun of me.
It's fun. My buddy Adam Hunter does or used to do a lot of those. I know he he's one of the best at it. But Tony Hinchcliffe is really great at it too. That's his show, kill Tony.
Okay. Were there other things you were gonna tell us about? Some other health stuff you said that your own, and you also have a and I'm not pushing your products here, but I was given a gift of one of your products and I haven't taken it before. And it's a blueprint protein powder. Yeah.
Is it a protein powder? Is it a daily powder? What is it?
Yeah. Protein.
Okay. It's a protein powder. And a lot of times you hear that supplements and stuff like that, a lot of that stuff just comes out in your urine. Like, what makes this thing any different, or is it any different?
Yeah. So the problem I was trying to solve is I need to eat every day somehow. Yeah. And I need a certain amount of protein, a certain amount of fat. And so when I go out in the world, I'm like, where am I gonna buy it?
I who do I trust? No one. Yeah. Okay. So I gotta manufacture this.
So basically, like, put together, I eat everything my company makes, because I trust it. I I like, you know, I worked as a in high school, I worked at a restaurant. I was, and I saw the back kitchen operations. Mhmm. And I was like, damn.
I'm never eating at this restaurant ever again. Right? Like, once you see it, it it's it's horrifying.
Yeah. Well, it's crazy when you think you're at a restaurant that you think that the people in the back are doing their best.
No. Exactly. Because a
lot of times, you're like, you'll go eat and then I'll go work at a restaurant. So it's like, then I'm just the person in the back.
Yeah. And like the the whole idea of like since it's like competent things going on behind the scenes that like you can trust, like, nah, nah. Someone breaks it. So It's like blueprint. I see exactly what happens.
That's what I wanna eat. So, yeah, protein, I basically need, like, a hundred and thirty grams a day. So I have to get it from somewhere. So, yeah, we same thing. If we source it, we third party test it.
You know, we look at all the the nutrients and the chemicals and the toxins. So, yeah, so the protein is one of the things we've built. And so
And what kind of protein powder do you recommend? I take a plant protein right now. That's kind of what I feel like works best with my system. Yeah. But what is there a type of because you hear different ones and new ones pop out, and then there's, like, the one you're supposed to take at night.
Like, have you what has your experience been like with protein powders?
We've been using pea and hemp. We started using pumpkin. And
Oh, pumpkin got something with pump. Yeah.
Yeah. So there's there's It should be
obvious pumpkin has muscles, dude.
Exactly. She's looking at a fucking pumpkin. Fucking flexing in this in the fills. Right? You see you see what
it looks like that.
Who's this who's this defined? Yeah. Yeah. So, like, we God. Yes.
We did that.
But, you know, like Pea doesn't mix very well, though.
Yeah. That's why. So that's why we do the hemp combo.
Okay.
Yeah. Helps it? It makes it fluffy and nice.
Because pea sometimes I'll get it in a smoothie or something, you can't even drink it because it's not
the the
solution isn't liquid enough?
Yeah. So we do that. But people there's like this online thing where people say that plant based proteins are higher in heavy metals. Right? Because there's you can test it.
The issue with that is that the whole heavy metal discussion is so fucked up because we test all my foods. You can go to the store and get a carrot and test that for heavy metals. It's high in heavy metals. Mhmm. And so the only reason why they it's been sensational around plant based proteins with toxins is because it's packaged food you can easily measure.
But it's harder to measure fresh food. People don't do the work. So, like, we've learned toxins are everywhere in all foods. And so for example, I'll give you one where I was eating these lentils, and the test came back high. And so we're like, why are lentils high in heavy metals?
Like, what's going on there? So we got ahold of the company, and we're like, what's what's your manufacturing process? They said, actually, we use, human sludge as our fertilization. So they're taking
Like, or whatever?
Yeah. They're taking they're taking human shit because it's like a
Who's selling it? Yeah. So they're using human shit
to fertilize, and human shit has heavy metals in it. So then recycles back into the to the food. And so we've been this this is why I make this shit because I shouldn't say stuff. So we we wanna we wanna source our own food. We wanna test it.
I wanna know what I'm putting in my body. And so, we just I've learned way too much. I'm like, I'm so jaded now.
So the lentils, they were using human shit on their crops. Yeah. And it was getting into the lentils somewhat. That
that's why. Because otherwise, if you think about it, you're like, what foods naturally have high levels of blank? Right? Or like cocoa has high levels of heavy metals. Like, has a lot high levels of cadmium naturally.
But then people test that. They're like, here are the brand rankings, but then glyphosate could also be present. And so we found that the brand had the lowest levels of cadmium, had the highest levels of glyphosate by, 10 x. Oh. They had an oat filler.
So the it was in the oats. And so this is the thing is like you once you actually take a topic and you actually slice it up to capture the nuance, it's just the conversation online is almost never right. Like, when the the things that that gain trendy popularity, it's almost always wrong.
And when you said that all some of it almost is negligible then because at a certain point just overall, we are in a very tough spot with Yeah. With what is in our foods no matter what.
100%. Like, that's what I'm saying. Like, it is like, I I don't people are gonna feel stressed about this conversation. So I wanna, like, make sure we close. I wanna Yeah.
I agree. I wanna I wanna give, a few tips where people can regain control of their life. Okay. So I don't wanna terrify I know it's terrifying.
Well, one of the things that I even I think you've already done is that's why you're saying like, okay, you may have this diet. Yeah. If you have an olive olive oil that you take when you're eating, that it will lessen the effects of your diet on your system at the Yeah. So and those are the types of things that are are kind of important. It's like, okay, well, know that even if some stuff I know is gonna be not great for me, how do I at least just mitigate what's going on while our science, hopefully gets, you know, uncompromised Yeah.
While our food system hopefully gets uncompromised and we're able to get back into a better place. But you were saying, there are some things you want them to take away.
Yeah. Okay. Cool. So here's like, in short, this this list of things will hopefully help people feel empowered
Mhmm.
And not anxious. So, yes, there's, like, all kinds of shit to be aware of, but if you focus on these things so one is I've learned out of all the things I've measured out of I literally have, like, billions of data points on my body over the past five years. If you distill that and say how many, are useful signal, probably a few 100,000,000. But it's the largest dataset in human history. The thing I care about the most is what is my heart rate before bed?
It is, like, the most useful biomarker, and it's so easy because it's free. So if you have a wearable, you can just pull up your phone, see what your what what your mark so you go you lay down on your bed, take a few deep breaths, and you calm yourself down, and then you see a number. Let's say it's like 55 beats a minute or 60. Your goal in life now is to lower your heart rate. So you say you start off at 60, in a month from now, be at 55.
And so the way you do that, one, is you have your final meal of the day four hours before bed. Yeah. I know. I know. I hear you.
And no snacks?
Uh-huh. No snack. No food. So if your bedtime's at ten, at 6PM, you're done. There we go.
That's a great chart. Got it. So these are the things so when you increase your heart rate before bed, it wrecks your sleep. Yes. When you don't sleep well, your willpower falls off a cliff.
So the next morning when you're trying to decide, do you eat the croissant or the doughnut for breakfast or not? If you haven't slept well, you're like 90% more likely to eat the donut or the croissant. Wow. If you slept well, you have a little juice in the system. You're like, you know what?
No. It's not good for me, and I'm gonna exercise, which then also increases your willpower. So you get in this really positive loop. So it all starts with sleep, and sleep is determined by your heart rate. So for example, like so four hours before bed, that is gonna lower so when you have that distance, it allows your body to digest the food.
It allows your body to say, I'm gonna get ready for bed. So it lowers your body temperature, lowers cortisol, increases melatonin, so your body's in a much better state to go to sleep and stay in deep sleep. The second thing is your phone needs to be off an hour before bed. You can't be in bed scrolling, working, texting. You need the separation because your body, the phone in hand, is going to increase your cortisol, increase your sympathetic activation.
You'll be more anxious. And so you need an hour of separation. Instead of the phone, go for a walk, talk to a friend, hang out, like breath work, meditation, read a book, like anything but be on your phone that will lower your heart rate. And there's other small things, like I do this nighttime discussion where I go to bed at 08:30. At 07:30PM evening, Brian or sleep Brian comes on on duty.
And sleep Brian is the version of me that defends my sleep. And so all the Brian's line up. So ambitious Brian lines up. He's always the first one.
He wants to work.
And he's like, I gotta fucking banger idea. Right? A brand new thing we're gonna do. And sleep Brian says, we see you ambitious Brian. Like, you're doing a good job in life.
Yeah. Like, keep at it, man. Also, we're getting ready for bed. So we're write down your idea, and then tomorrow, we'll come back to it. And ambitious Brian's like, are you sure?
And sleep Brian's like,